I don’t want energy drain back for Scholar

[Rivxkobe]

@ people asking for a DPS move:

I dunno. Having an oGCD DPS move on a healer this Expansion seems a bit... out of place? It would probably jump SCH DPS by quite a bit.

Aetherflow is for Healing now anyway, which I get is the problem, but we don't even unlock it until lvl. 45 now (which is the level we get Lustrate via quest) so SE has seemed to make it clear what they want it to be used for.

[althenawhm]

I dunno. Having an oGCD DPS move on a healer this Expansion seems a bit... out of place?

The other two healers have oGCD damage moves, they just have healing tied to them.
Not like WHMs often save assize for healing anyway.

[SweetPete]

So I’ve read over everyone’s responses to my post and I understand. However ED wasn’t even all that potent and didn’t really do much than dump the stacks fast and gave back more mp. Which is what I suggested. Either mana/fey gauge. It honestly just seems like players want more dps in any shape or form. Now I don’t mind dps as a healer. I enjoy it, especially when there is no one that needs healing. If SE is going to give us a stack dump I’d rather it be something that will help us not cripple us. Before aow mp was changed then ED might of been ok but now it won’t. We lost party support with fey wind. How about as a stack dump we get something on the gcd that uses a stack to buff the party instead. It won’t be useless because it actually will help the party.

And let me just clarify. When I say cripple us. I mean as sch players seem to be fine with the mp then ED will be useless anyway. Since as many of you said we don’t need more mp return. Might as well just use lustrates.

[Billythepancake]

@ people asking for a DPS move:

I dunno. Having an oGCD DPS move on a healer this Expansion seems a bit... out of place? It would probably jump SCH DPS by quite a bit.

Aetherflow is for Healing now anyway, which I get is the problem, but we don't even unlock it until lvl. 45 now (which is the level we get Lustrate via quest) so SE has seemed to make it clear what they want it to be used for.

SE has forgotten scholar stems from a dps, and a huge core of its identity has always been half dps half healer, and that was what made it so interesting to a lot of people. Having to juggle aetherflow, make the constant decision of if you wanted to risk that extra dps or you wanted to save out for a heal is what made scholar really work. Now, it functions, but it's a hollow shell of what it was meant to be, and having no dps for aetherflow is one of the biggest offenders of that.

[SweetPete]

The other two healers have oGCD damage moves, they just have healing tied to them.
Not like WHMs often save assize for healing anyway.

I understand but why make every healer exactly the same? Where is the Uniqueness. So whm gets a dps ability for using lilies. Let that be whm. I’d rather have something different than the same thing just a different animation. I would rather SE build on sch party buffing. I know AST does it but they can no longer aoe cards. Give sch something like fey wind back for single targets. It can be a tiny 3% like before or even 2% and that be our stack dump. It will bring back decision making like before. Also it will help the party. Let whm have their thing and we have ours.

[Billythepancake]

I understand but why make every healer exactly the same? Where is the Uniqueness. So whm gets a dps ability for using lilies. Let that be whm. I’d rather have something different than the same thing just a different animation. I would rather SE build on sch party buffing. I know AST does it but they can no longer aoe cards. Give sch something like fey wind back for single targets. It can be a tiny 3% like before or even 2% and that be our stack dump. It will bring back decision making like before. Also it will help the party. Let whm have their thing and we have ours.

Because that's not why people fell in love with scholar in the first place. Scholar was always meant to be half dps, it was never meant to be the pure healer. Scholar needs more dps abilities, not just in aetherflow, but in general. It comes from arcanist so it's not fair that SMN gets to keep physic, Which is still useless on them, but we cant keep anything that would actually help us. Aetherflow should be a resource to be managed, dps should be that option of risk and reward.

[SweetPete]

SE has forgotten scholar stems from a dps, and a huge core of its identity has always been half dps half healer, and that was what made it so interesting to a lot of people. Having to juggle aetherflow, make the constant decision of if you wanted to risk that extra dps or you wanted to save out for a heal is what made scholar really work. Now, it functions, but it's a hollow shell of what it was meant to be, and having no dps for aetherflow is one of the biggest offenders of that.

I disagree. I believe SE finally knows what direction they wanna take the healers. It might not be perfect but no job will ever be perfect. Yes sch stems from arcanist and their biggest mistake was allowing it to stay that way for so long. Now people are comfy with the way it was and now feel sorta handicapped without all the dps abilities. I believe they are so close to separating sch from archanist and I’m happy about that. However giving sch back all those dps abilities will do nothing but cripple newer players and steer them away from trying it out. All it will do is once again make sch 90% dps and 10% ogcd healer. I find myself healing and shielding allot more as when I group with whm they stay busy dps and throwing the occasional afflatus rapture to help. They are basically the new sch. I don’t think it’s cool but whm does deserve some shine now since they have always gotten the short end.

[SweetPete]

Because that's not why people fell in love with scholar in the first place. Scholar was always meant to be half dps, it was never meant to be the pure healer. Scholar needs more dps abilities, not just in aetherflow, but in general. It comes from arcanist so it's not fair that SMN gets to keep physic, Which is still useless on them, but we cant keep anything that would actually help us. Aetherflow should be a resource to be managed, dps should be that option of risk and reward.

Understand your point. However can you show me where Yoshi P, or anyone from SE said sch was meant to be half dps half healer? I already said it was SE mistake to keep all those dps abilities on sch for so long. Dps skills were there so of course people are gonna use them. Yes whm reward for using lilies is that major dps ability every 90 seconds. Sch does get rewarded from using aetherflow. It’s the fey gauge. That’s our reward. I wish there were more abilities tied to it but it is what it is. We don’t need to have a large dps skill like whm. ED belongs to smn now and most arcanist dps skills belong to smn now as it should of always been. It just sucks SE took this long to do it.

[Typhoria]

I understand but why make every healer exactly the same? Where is the Uniqueness. So whm gets a dps ability for using lilies. Let that be whm. I’d rather have something different than the same thing just a different animation. I would rather SE build on sch party buffing. I know AST does it but they can no longer aoe cards. Give sch something like fey wind back for single targets. It can be a tiny 3% like before or even 2% and that be our stack dump. It will bring back decision making like before. Also it will help the party. Let whm have their thing and we have ours.

At this point you have to be trolling by asking for "uniqueness." Scholar had both Energy Drain and Bane since ARR. White Mage got lilies in Stormblood, which effected cooldowns on oGCD abilities.

[SweetPete]

At this point you have to be trolling by asking for "uniqueness." Scholar had both Energy Drain and Bane since ARR. White Mage got lilies in Stormblood, which effected cooldowns on oGCD abilities.

First of all no one is trolling so let’s get that straight. And let’s be real for a second. When I say uniqueness, what I mean is not give sch the same ability as whm using aetherflow to gain a large dps ability. That’s not unique and different. Yes sch had both ED and Bane and Yoshi P has said he wants to separate these 2 jobs. Do you really think sch will keep all of arcanist dps too? I understand. I really do. For ARR, Heavensward and Stormblood. Sch has had all of these dps abilities. Finally they are separating them. How is that fair to smn if sch has basically the same things they have on top of the crazy healing they can do alone and with a pet. Sch was op since ARR and something had to give. Of course it would be the dps kit getting gutted. Since they are healers and all.