Healers in the new expansion

[MadeOfMush]

I mailed AST in the beginning of SB and at the end of SB I was making SCH.

Personally I like SCH and the decision to move towards a more healing focused roles. My biggest problem is the transition was handled poorly for SCH, the flow of SCH doesn't feel smooth, ideally the healers should feel as smooth as WHM, and be rewarded similarly for playing to the job's gimmick.

Since Aetherflow is the gimmick for SCH, I'd like some more to do with the Fairy gauge that Aetherflow feeds into and I'd like what it can do to be decently powerful like what WHM can do with Blood Lilies. While I don't care to give SCH a rotation or more commonly accessed DPS skills, I'd like if Aetherflow management was rewarded with something, if that something is a nuke a la Misery, then that's fine but I'd prefer something more focused around the fairy. The reward for proper Aetherflow usage is Fairy Gauge...

As it stands the only substantial use of Fairy Gauge is Aetherpact, since Fey Blessing is lackluster. Other than that I think it can use some potency boosts, and I think Dissipation can be reworked to flow better with the job. I'd also like Broil III to be instant cast to facilitate weaving Fairy and Aetherflow skills instead of being forced to use Ruin II. Things should just work well together, WHM currently does and it feels great.

Really though, content needs to be designed with more healing in mind. Healing is just way too easy and downright unnecessary most of the time. I enjoy when I have to make full use of my healing kit, and adapting to what's going on and what cooldowns or Aetherflow stacks I have available. Doing the Eden raid content last night blind was very fun, but even that wasn't too demanding on healing.

[Sebazy]

You only have to look at CPM rates in long established healer pairings at the top flight if you want a clearly tangible metric in how SCH's gameplay has been damaged with 5.0.

[Billythepancake]

ok, but do you realize with missing dps skills SCH lost a LOT OF in terms damage right ?
and astro is now like 90% of this class users wanted him to be, with balance/spear card mania they were most picked/hunted cards any way

I played all 3 healers in SB and I can tell that SCH was op with this damage/shields a ridiculas healing and astro buffs was too strong

this is typical react when your class is nerfed in any game

You seem to have this misconception that fun and engaging is the same thing as strong and OP, so allow me to be as clear and simple as I can.

People do NOT care about the damage numbers scholar is pulling right now, that is fine. Scholars are mad because they are not pressing enough buttons. In a modern game on modern consoles, people like to not be regulated to only pressing the square button, they want to use most if not all of them. You can have a class be balanced and engaging at the same time, there is no reason they cannot give scholar more dps options as well as not make its damage close to WHM's.

For ast, the cards are not the only problem. It has crap healing, crap damage, and crap buffs. It literally has nothing going for it. That's why ASTs are mad. This wasn't a simple nerf, they made their class straight up inferior in every conceivable way.

[DawnSolaria]

"they turn equal" and "time to nerf WHM" = astro logic after SB where astro's buff was too good
once again you have dmg buffs for others and you have less personal dps this is SAME as dancer ... what is hard to understood that ?

EDIT: you didn't even played raids and you know for sure that WHM need a nerf ... ok ...

There are literally hard data up suggesting AST being undertuned (or under used since no one plays this pile of turd anymore). I don't care a single bit if they nerf whm or not, but it is very clear that they put all the effort into reworking whm and just toss crap to sch/ast.

You clearly didnt understand my edit either. Eden data shows that all current top clear time is done by whm/sch vombo, while not perfect it does suggest AST shitty damage buff is not measuring up to the 2k more dps whm is personally dishing out.

[Risvertasashi]

There are literally hard data up suggesting AST being undertuned (or under used since no one plays this pile of turd anymore). I don't care a single bit if they nerf whm or not, but it is very clear that they put all the effort into reworking whm and just toss crap to sch/ast.

Mostly just AST.

SCH's clear rate is still high. If AST is buffed, it will probably take clears away from WHM as usual - and it wouldn't take much of a rise from AST (and thus fall in WHM clears) to put WHM under SCH for clears again.

[Billythepancake]

Mostly just AST.

SCH's clear rate is still high. If AST is buffed, it will probably take clears away from WHM as usual - and it wouldn't take much of a rise from AST (and thus fall in WHM clears) to put WHM under SCH for clears again.

This highlights SE's problem with healers. They dont know how to make a healer stronger/better without making another healer worse.

[Sebazy]

I don't care a single bit if they nerf whm or not, but it is very clear that they put all the effort into reworking whm and just toss crap to sch/ast.

The thing is, WHM really didn't gain all that much out of SHB. Rather, we just lost the least and what we did lose (Aero 3) was arguably offset by the Lily rework.

Meanwhile, SCH and AST both lost out in dramatic fashion with AST losing more significant parts of it's kit whilst receiving laughably little in return.

Very little effort was put into any of it IMHO. WHM just got lucky this time round. Someone was clearly having a very bad day when they assigned some of these potency numbers to AST.

[Gaethan_Tessula]

The thing is, WHM really didn't gain all that much out of SHB. Rather, we just lost the least and what we did lose (Aero 3) was arguably offset by the Lily rework.

Meanwhile, SCH and AST both lost out in dramatic fashion with AST losing more significant parts of it's kit whilst receiving laughably little in return.

Very little effort was put into any of it IMHO. WHM just got lucky this time round. Someone was clearly having a very bad day when they assigned some of these potency numbers to AST.

I feel the same way. I want WHM to be given more (something that furthers the involvement of the lily system and contributes to DPS, defensive/resource raid-support, and/or crowd control preferably), SCH to be given a LOT more, and AST to have its rework entirely reworked.

Any WHM who feels satisfied by being king/queen of the molehill is enjoying either shortsightedness or schadenfreude.

[Connor]

So, I don’t know if I just have a really high tolerance for this kind of thing, but I haven’t found myself disliking Astrologian so much that it feels ‘broken’ or ‘unplayable’.

I’m not denying the job needs a lot of work of course, the whole kit needs ‘untangled’ (for lack of a better word), Divination has a huge cooldown but not enough reward, Cards barely account for the lack of DPS, etc. But, I don’t think the job is beyond saving in its current state, and honestly I’m still able to enjoy it how is now, though god knows why lol.

(Again, not claiming that because I’ve enjoyed it that it shouldn’t change to be enjoyable for everyone, nor am I claiming it’s ‘fine’ compared to the other healers, just that I feel like I’ve enjoyed it more than others generally have)

[Vivian_Vex]

I feel the same way. I want WHM to be given more (something that furthers the involvement of the lily system and contributes to DPS, defensive/resource raid-support, and/or crowd control preferably), SCH to be given a LOT more, and AST to have its rework entirely reworked.

Any WHM who feels satisfied by being king/queen of the molehill is enjoying either shortsightedness or schadenfreude.

So because you're not satisfied others that are are shortsighted or like suffering? Sounds to me that you're just complaining for the sake of it. This is the most fun I've had with White Mage since I've started playing and to say that only people that are shortsighted or like suffering can be happy with it not only sounds utterly asinine but it just makes you look you're one of those "I say this is bad so everyone else that enjoys it is wrong." kind of people. Which needless to say means you look bad.

Not to mention you say you want more stuff that contributes to DPS and Crowd Control. We just got a *900 potency AoE damage spell* and you're STILL not happy with that? When looking for a person that will never be satisfied one simply needs to look at the FF14 forum.