Healers in the new expansion

[DawnSolaria]

"they turn equal" and "time to nerf WHM" = astro logic after SB where astro's buff was too good
once again you have dmg buffs for others and you have less personal dps this is SAME as dancer ... what is hard to understood that ?

EDIT: you didn't even played raids and you know for sure that WHM need a nerf ... ok ...

There are literally hard data up suggesting AST being undertuned (or under used since no one plays this pile of turd anymore). I don't care a single bit if they nerf whm or not, but it is very clear that they put all the effort into reworking whm and just toss crap to sch/ast.

You clearly didnt understand my edit either. Eden data shows that all current top clear time is done by whm/sch vombo, while not perfect it does suggest AST shitty damage buff is not measuring up to the 2k more dps whm is personally dishing out.

[Risvertasashi]

There are literally hard data up suggesting AST being undertuned (or under used since no one plays this pile of turd anymore). I don't care a single bit if they nerf whm or not, but it is very clear that they put all the effort into reworking whm and just toss crap to sch/ast.

Mostly just AST.

SCH's clear rate is still high. If AST is buffed, it will probably take clears away from WHM as usual - and it wouldn't take much of a rise from AST (and thus fall in WHM clears) to put WHM under SCH for clears again.

[Sebazy]

I don't care a single bit if they nerf whm or not, but it is very clear that they put all the effort into reworking whm and just toss crap to sch/ast.

The thing is, WHM really didn't gain all that much out of SHB. Rather, we just lost the least and what we did lose (Aero 3) was arguably offset by the Lily rework.

Meanwhile, SCH and AST both lost out in dramatic fashion with AST losing more significant parts of it's kit whilst receiving laughably little in return.

Very little effort was put into any of it IMHO. WHM just got lucky this time round. Someone was clearly having a very bad day when they assigned some of these potency numbers to AST.

[Gaethan_Tessula]

The thing is, WHM really didn't gain all that much out of SHB. Rather, we just lost the least and what we did lose (Aero 3) was arguably offset by the Lily rework.

Meanwhile, SCH and AST both lost out in dramatic fashion with AST losing more significant parts of it's kit whilst receiving laughably little in return.

Very little effort was put into any of it IMHO. WHM just got lucky this time round. Someone was clearly having a very bad day when they assigned some of these potency numbers to AST.

I feel the same way. I want WHM to be given more (something that furthers the involvement of the lily system and contributes to DPS, defensive/resource raid-support, and/or crowd control preferably), SCH to be given a LOT more, and AST to have its rework entirely reworked.

Any WHM who feels satisfied by being king/queen of the molehill is enjoying either shortsightedness or schadenfreude.

[Vivian_Vex]

I feel the same way. I want WHM to be given more (something that furthers the involvement of the lily system and contributes to DPS, defensive/resource raid-support, and/or crowd control preferably), SCH to be given a LOT more, and AST to have its rework entirely reworked.

Any WHM who feels satisfied by being king/queen of the molehill is enjoying either shortsightedness or schadenfreude.

So because you're not satisfied others that are are shortsighted or like suffering? Sounds to me that you're just complaining for the sake of it. This is the most fun I've had with White Mage since I've started playing and to say that only people that are shortsighted or like suffering can be happy with it not only sounds utterly asinine but it just makes you look you're one of those "I say this is bad so everyone else that enjoys it is wrong." kind of people. Which needless to say means you look bad.

Not to mention you say you want more stuff that contributes to DPS and Crowd Control. We just got a *900 potency AoE damage spell* and you're STILL not happy with that? When looking for a person that will never be satisfied one simply needs to look at the FF14 forum.

[Hatstand]

So because you're not satisfied others that are are shortsighted or like suffering? Sounds to me that you're just complaining for the sake of it. This is the most fun I've had with White Mage since I've started playing and to say that only people that are shortsighted or like suffering can be happy with it not only sounds utterly asinine but it just makes you look you're one of those "I say this is bad so everyone else that enjoys it is wrong." kind of people. Which needless to say means you look bad.

Not to mention you say you want more stuff that contributes to DPS and Crowd Control. We just got a *900 potency AoE damage spell* and you're STILL not happy with that? When looking for a person that will never be satisfied one simply needs to look at the FF14 forum.

It’s. Not. About. Potency.

As has been repeated over and over but apparently not heard. Spamming one button is boring. We want to achieve our dps through more interesting tools, regardless of potency. We’re not asking to be more powerful. We’re asking to be more fun. It astounds me that any player would oppose us in this.

[Vivian_Vex]

It’s. Not. About. Potency.

As has been repeated over and over but apparently not heard. Spamming one button is boring. We want to achieve our dps through more interesting tools, regardless of potency. We’re not asking to be more powerful. We’re asking to be more fun. It astounds me that any player would oppose us in this.

It is when *he specifically said he wanted DPS/CC* which this expansion has given generously. And a timing mechanic to optimize healing and DPS is not interesting to you? because it is to me and has added another layer to the job that does indeed make it more fun. It's not about opposing people in it. It's about not expecting things to be absolutely perfect and taking joy in what you get and you'll be a lot happier with what you got.

[Hatstand]

It is when *he specifically said he wanted DPS/CC* which this expansion has given generously. And a timing mechanic to optimize healing and DPS is not interesting to you? because it is to me and has added another layer to the job that does indeed make it more fun. It's not about opposing people in it. It's about not expecting things to be absolutely perfect and taking joy in what you get and you'll be a lot happier with what you got.

I can’t speak for Gaethan_Tessula, but I would read his post as saying we should have more dps abilities, not bigger dps numbers. Especially considering that in the post you quoted he was responding to someone talking about how the only move WHM lost was Aero 3, and that SCH and WHM had relatively lost more.

Also, I miss the timing mechanic that allowed us to optimise healing and dps. Ffxiv has never been the same since we lost OG cleric stance. Although I realise that you mean the old “how much can I dps before my team dies” game. It’s fine. It’s why I haven’t stopped playing healer all together. But it’s less fun than what we had before.

As for being happy with what we get? How bad do you think the game would get if no one ever spoke out when something wasn’t working? We complain because we love what this game has given us in the past, and we hope that SE will hear us (if we make enough noise) and make some much needed changes. This expansion made healing less fun (WHM excepted). If we don’t let them know that this is the case, never mind fixing things, they might continue on the same trajectory and make things worse. As they have been doing ever since the aforementioned loss of OG cleric stance. If we do speak up, maybe the game gets better for everyone.

I don’t expect things to be perfect. I just expect them to be no worse than they were before. If they can’t make something better they should leave it alone. I heard one SE employee saying in an interview that they hadn’t messed much with RDM’s old kit, because they wanted to add new options, not take them away. I want that philosophy to apply to us, too.

[Risvertasashi]

It’s. Not. About. Potency.

As has been repeated over and over but apparently not heard. Spamming one button is boring. We want to achieve our dps through more interesting tools, regardless of potency. We’re not asking to be more powerful. We’re asking to be more fun. It astounds me that any player would oppose us in this.

Astounding as it may be....I don't want a more complex DPS rotation. I can go play red mage or something for that. My healer has enough buttons as is.

[tikiwiki]

Astounding as it may be....I don't want a more complex DPS rotation. I can go play red mage or something for that. My healer has enough buttons as is.

i played sch for its more dps options and the game hasnt increased healing so they need to give me something to do