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  1. #11
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaell View Post
    A lottery system is an awful awful idea. It should be first come first serve. If you aren't there when the timer opens, well better luck next time. I think the timer on new opened housing is fine, its just intensified by the housing crisis and the demand being faaaaaar larger than the number of plots available. They should just future proof housing with 30 wards and be done with it already. Never have to touch it again. Server capacity is not a valid excuse with the massive amount of money they get from subs. They could easily increase it, they just aren't doing it.
    The problem I have with the current system is it gives an advantage to people using autoclicker addons and it encourages people to farm for hours on end for a small chance at being the first one.

    A lottery system would give people a fair share at it without encouraging people to sit there for hours not knowing when the timer will come off and won't give you an advantage if you use an addon.

    I really see no downside to using a lottery system, and this is coming from someone who already owns a house.
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  2. #12
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bright-Flower View Post
    The problem I have with the current system is it gives an advantage to people using autoclicker addons and it encourages people to farm for hours on end for a small chance at being the first one.

    A lottery system would give people a fair share at it without encouraging people to sit there for hours not knowing when the timer will come off and won't give you an advantage if you use an addon.

    I really see no downside to using a lottery system, and this is coming from someone who already owns a house.
    So you want rng when we already have rng? Please...

    The only fair system is the old system. Make the plots really expensive and let players gamble with the devaluation timer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaybeOliverB View Post
    The only fair system is the old system. Make the plots really expensive and let players gamble with the devaluation timer.
    No, it's not. The old system only benefited those with loads of gil. Devaluation does not matter to players who have enough gil to buy multiple wards.

    A fair system would be instanced housing.

    If SE insists on keeping future housing in persistent neighbourhoods:

    I support a lottery system with limits on how many people can enter the lottery list or as someone else has proposed in another thread, a lottery system with a waiting list,where you can either queue in the list for a specific plot or any plot which becomes available.
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  4. #14
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    Evelynn Outreguerlain
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    I honestly hate that someone can relocate to a house, despite the timer. Like, I can be at a house 3 hours before anyone else, but the moment someone who already has a house decides they want to move there, they can buy it before I even have the opportunity. either everyone should get the timer or nobody should get the timer, its completely unfair that some people get it and some people dont.
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  5. #15
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaybeOliverB View Post
    So you want rng when we already have rng? Please...

    The only fair system is the old system. Make the plots really expensive and let players gamble with the devaluation timer.
    The old system benefited people with tons of gil who would pay people to vacate houses leading to highly inflated costs to get housing. It's the reason why the implemented random timers, so you can't directly sell the plot to someone else. Though this is a half measure as you can still pay someone to vacate a plot and then xfer into it if you have a house already.

    Lottery rng would be fair rng without the stress of having to camp a plot not knowing when it's going to come up or worry about people with addons having an advantage. It's fair, prevents direct plot sales, and is all around easier on potential buyers.
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  6. #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by TwistedTea View Post
    No, it's not. The old system only benefited those with loads of gil. Devaluation does not matter to players who have enough gil to buy multiple wards.

    A fair system would be instanced housing.

    If SE insists on keeping future housing in persistent neighbourhoods:

    I support a lottery system with limits on how many people can enter the lottery list or as someone else has proposed in another thread, a lottery system with a waiting list,where you can either queue in the list for a specific plot or any plot which becomes available.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bright-Flower View Post
    The old system benefited people with tons of gil who would pay people to vacate houses leading to highly inflated costs to get housing. It's the reason why the implemented random timers, so you can't directly sell the plot to someone else. Though this is a half measure as you can still pay someone to vacate a plot and then xfer into it if you have a house already.

    Lottery rng would be fair rng without the stress of having to camp a plot not knowing when it's going to come up or worry about people with addons having an advantage. It's fair, prevents direct plot sales, and is all around easier on potential buyers.
    And what has changed since? Literally nothing regarding house trading. Except aspiring house owners have to resort to using automation or waste their free time. Players purchase relocations for personal and FC houses and players still trade FC houses (that's been ongoing since 2.1)

    If you two seriously believe that a lottery system is fair, you must believe that communism is fair.

    Grinding to get what you desire, in this case... housing, is the only fair system.
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  7. #17
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    Lottery would work just add some invisible counter that goes up every time you fail to get a house rising your chance to get another one.Also add private relocators in that lottery with a higher initial bonus chance tada RNG might still screw you over but you won´t waste hours on hours while tring it
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    I really think the current method of buying a house needs to change - I keep finding uncamped plots, stay there for 6~ hours or so and I'm STILL blocked by the almighty invisible timer. I think I have camped houses for well over 36 hours now (not concurrently), but even so.... this is getting to be too much, especially as I am so horrendously unlucky.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Billythepancake View Post
    I honestly hate that someone can relocate to a house, despite the timer. Like, I can be at a house 3 hours before anyone else, but the moment someone who already has a house decides they want to move there, they can buy it before I even have the opportunity. either everyone should get the timer or nobody should get the timer, its completely unfair that some people get it and some people dont.
    Your statement, that some people are dealing with the timer and others don't, is completely false.

    Did it cross your mind that relocators had had to deal with the timer when they were, like you, trying to buy their very first house? Why should they have to deal with the timer for a second time? That would be unfair.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ishgardian View Post
    Your statement, that some people are dealing with the timer and others don't, is completely false.

    Did it cross your mind that relocators had had to deal with the timer when they were, like you, trying to buy their very first house? Why should they have to deal with the timer for a second time? That would be unfair.
    There are some who like to repeatedly relocate with the purpose of resetting the housing timers, just to screw with campers.
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