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  1. #281
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    Quote Originally Posted by Granyala View Post
    Though he only referred to "life" not necessarily "sentient life".
    It may very well possible that he was referring to flora and fauna in the general sense as an aether source and not necessarily developed civilizations.
    At least in the original plan.

    Later on, apparently civilizations developed and that's when the inner Ascian conflict came to be because eradicating sentient life would go against their ethics. Hence the "this world should belong to the newly formed life" and subsequently the summoning of Hydelyn as protector of said life.
    Considering he thinks most mortals to be idiotic and stupid, I have high doubts he sees the difference between a lala and a potato. One just gives more lip. It's Emet, he's going to hint your not sentient just to have a good laugh. And if he was actually talking about the fauna and flora, doesn't that make it worse? Since they are guardians and stewards of that world. It'd be like forest protector burning a good portion of the wood so that the ashes can be used to fertilize and nourish the old trees, even when there's nothing wrong with this new life. This new life that wasn't splintered by the way and thus had 'complete' souls.

    At that point, when they went along with that plan or tried to, it was akin to racism/elitism.
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  2. #282
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gwenorai View Post
    I have high doubts he sees the difference between a lala and a potato.
    Wait... there is one? Oo

    As for whether they consider us sentient: do we consider lower lifeforms sentient and attribute them the same right we do humans?
    I think not. A human would be the same to an Ascian as a pig to a human. Some of us do not concern themselves with their fate or animal cruelty, some of us do.
    It's basically the same conflict that divided the Ascian society.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Granyala View Post
    Wait... there is one? Oo

    As for whether they consider us sentient: do we consider lower lifeforms sentient and attribute them the same right we do humans?
    I think not. A human would be the same to an Ascian as a pig to a human. Some of us do not concern themselves with their fate or animal cruelty, some of us do.
    It's basically the same conflict that divided the Ascian society.
    But all humans, regardless of their beliefs, acknowledge that the pig is or was alive. Emet-Selch explicitly states "I do not consider you to truly be alive".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daralii View Post
    But all humans, regardless of their beliefs, acknowledge that the pig is or was alive. Emet-Selch explicitly states "I do not consider you to truly be alive".
    We have no real life equivalent. The people who are alive in the shards are all incomplete beings. Consider if you were suddenly going to be split into 14 people, with your own current existence basically being wiped out. As a complete person who must become non-existent as a result of the other 14 people existing, how do you view them?
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    This is a good question.

    Would it be wrong to kill billions of people to give the future children after immorality? And not just your own, but every newborn? Trading billions of lives to extend of lives of your offspring and the offspring of everyone you know?
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  6. #286
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daralii View Post
    But all humans, regardless of their beliefs, acknowledge that the pig is or was alive. Emet-Selch explicitly states "I do not consider you to truly be alive".
    I find it funny that he says we aren't truly alive then asks us to remember their lives when he dies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MomomiMomi View Post
    We have no real life equivalent. The people who are alive in the shards are all incomplete beings. Consider if you were suddenly going to be split into 14 people, with your own current existence basically being wiped out. As a complete person who must become non-existent as a result of the other 14 people existing, how do you view them?

    People, they have their own personalities, hopes and dreams, struggles.


    Just because I am no longer in existence doesn't mean they aren't people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth View Post
    People, they have their own personalities, hopes and dreams, struggles.


    Just because I am no longer in existence doesn't mean they aren't people.
    Oh yeah, and they only live for 10 seconds in comparison to your 100 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MomomiMomi View Post
    Oh yeah, and they only live for 10 seconds in comparison to your 100 years.
    Still people. Some people already have super short lives through no faults of their own. They aren't any less a person than my great-grandmother who lived to 103.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MomomiMomi View Post
    Oh yeah, and they only live for 10 seconds in comparison to your 100 years.
    Viera live for 200+ years. I guess this means they should flex and murder Miqote for their average lifespan of 50 years. What point were you making?
    You're assuming that one life = one revived ascian. When in truth it's probably 100, 1000 or more for one of them to be revived. Their differences in 'aether' are too vast for a 1:1 exchange.
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