[Spoilers] I’m irrevocably Unimpressed

[WaterShield]

7 calamities have already happened. If I remember correctly? Idk, but with each calamity and rejoining to the source this strengthened our soul. Minus the void because the WoL in the void isn't dead and has been salvaged by the Ascians, but we don't know why they did this. So, apart from the Ascians, we are the closest to being complete.

So, that's technically 7 fragments of our soul that have already become apart of us from the start of the game. We started the game, half complete.

Should be more than that. 7 Calamities = 7 rejoinings. So 7/14th added to 1/14th would put us at 8/14th at the start of A Realm Reborn. So we were slightly over half.

[Ayer2015]

Someone please help me understand why the bad guys are never allowed to win?

Something seemed awfully wrong about the way Emet-Selch was taken out. By all accounts, he should have won.

I mean, are Ascians even evil?

Shades of grey are far more interesting than a black and white narrative.

[CarnivalNights]

I wish we didn't kill Emet-Selch, or at least kill him this soon. SE really strays far away from making villains that are sympathetic or that have noble goals with just evil execution, they always made a black and white villain except for here. Good god, did they get it right with Emet-Selch.

[Delily]

I wish we didn't kill Emet-Selch, or at least kill him this soon. SE really strays far away from making villains that are sympathetic or that have noble goals with just evil execution, they always made a black and white villain except for here. Good god, did they get it right with Emet-Selch.

Noble is a matter of perspective. People are leaving out the part where the ascians needed to keep sacrificing half their population to give Zodiark the aether it needed. Also that the ascians ultimate plan was to do a rejoining and then sacrifice all life on the Source. They were chasing after a world whose time was over trying to recreate a past that was gone. As Alisae said they can’t bring back the dead.

[CarnivalNights]

Noble is a matter of perspective. People are leaving out the part where the ascians needed to keep sacrificing half their population to give Zodiark the aether it needed. Also that the ascians ultimate plan was to do a rejoining and then sacrifice all life on the Source. They were chasing after a world whose time was over trying to recreate a past that was gone. As Alisae said they can’t bring back the dead.

I literally did say noble goals with just evil execution.

[Daralii]

Why do I have to think of Yoko Taro now? lolz

Because like it or not, he's coming.

[Ameela]

Also worth noting something which I'm not sure if it's been mentioned in this thread (too much to read lol):

Originally Emet didn't have the "you're not actually alive so genocide isn't actually evil" excuse, he straight up just wanted to kill everyone born after the summoning of Zodiark to bring back the people who sacrificed themselves to stop the end of the world... so he was definitely willing to kill more than 'mere reflections' just to bring back his old friends.

[Kallera]

Noble is a matter of perspective. People are leaving out the part where the ascians needed to keep sacrificing half their population to give Zodiark the aether it needed. Also that the ascians ultimate plan was to do a rejoining and then sacrifice all life on the Source. They were chasing after a world whose time was over trying to recreate a past that was gone. As Alisae said they can’t bring back the dead.

Both sides were trying to recreate the world and bring back the ones they have lost. Though I’m starting to wonder just how much of The 8th Umbral Calamity as portrayed by Urianger was true.

[Xion136]

Both sides were trying to recreate the world and bring back the ones they have lost. Though I’m starting to wonder just how much of The 8th Umbral Calamity as portrayed by Urianger was true.

...Uriangier portrayed the truth as a vision at the behest of the Crystal Exarch, who aokej by the survivors of the 8th Umbral Calamity 200 years after we died to Black Rose.


The information Uriangier told us was from the Exarch, not a vision.

[Granyala]

Also worth noting something which I'm not sure if it's been mentioned in this thread (too much to read lol):

Originally Emet didn't have the "you're not actually alive so genocide isn't actually evil" excuse, he straight up just wanted to kill everyone born after the summoning of Zodiark to bring back the people who sacrificed themselves to stop the end of the world... so he was definitely willing to kill more than 'mere reflections' just to bring back his old friends.

Though he only referred to "life" not necessarily "sentient life".
It may very well possible that he was referring to flora and fauna in the general sense as an aether source and not necessarily developed civilizations.
At least in the original plan.

Later on, apparently civilizations developed and that's when the inner Ascian conflict came to be because eradicating sentient life would go against their ethics. Hence the "this world should belong to the newly formed life" and subsequently the summoning of Hydelyn as protector of said life.