[Spoilers] I’m irrevocably Unimpressed

[Kallera]

I think Emet Selch, though it was inevitable that we would be in conflict with him, had a position that was understandable to many. His reasoning really does sound like a protagonist in another game, trying to restore that which was stolen and malformed by an evil being.


What I think should be taken away is the fact that the "battle between Light and Dark", this conflict between Hydaelyn and Zodiark, has been horrifically destructive on both sides, where the gods' victory is measured in destroyed worlds and shattered lives. It is a conflict that needs to end the meddling on both sides, if there is truly to be peace.


To that ends, its only fitting that Zenos is considered the next huge antagonist, since rather than stopping the conflict, he intends to hasten it to its terrible conclusion, repeating the horrific tragedy of the Sundering and likely throwing us enough bones to have us go along with it.


If we engage in that clash of the titans once more, no matter who is victorious, Untold amounts of destruction will happen and the things we have come to learn on the first will have been for nothing.

[SturmChurro]

I didn't even think they looked like physical beings honestly. They look so weird I initially just misjudged them as coalesced aether around a soul or something lol

I think this is my last post until this afternoon, but I'll use it up anyway.

You would think maybe this is just how they manifest themselves, but why would the younglings be so much shorter than the adults, and the people of the city all dress the same for a purpose. Rather, they create physical objects. I think this is their true forms, and they were once corporeal beings, it just makes the most sense to me. Actually, thinking about it some more, I think it is pretty much confirmed that this is their physical form, in the dungeons there are dead bodies of these beings. If they weren't corporeal they presumably couldn't die by things like that, or rather their bodies would just be lying there.

If we engage in that clash of the titans once more, no matter who is victorious, Untold amounts of destruction will happen and the things we have come to learn on the first will have been for nothing.

Zenos is in it for selfish reasons. He definitely doesn't care at all about the world, or potentially any of the shards. He cares about the thrill of the hunt, and the WoL is the only one who can ever give him that thrill. He will walk all over anyone and everyone including a "god" like Zodiark. I think the conclusion of this conflict will mean the end of both primals, and a new future for the races of the source and the shards.

Well it seems Emet and the other Ascians we met along the way are tempered yet didn't get sacrificed, or maybe those sacrificed are the ones who got fractured/split into "husks" as Emet calls us.

I also don't think we're the guy who recognized we're a part of an Ascian's soul. He refers to us as "New old friend", would be a weird way to speak of himself. We're obviously an Ancient/Ascian, but more than likely not him from his wording.

Hmm that actually is a good point I didn’t think of it that way, perhaps that wasn’t a memory of us then but someone we knew.

We are definitly that ancient that Emet recognized. No doubt. "New old friend" is because we are technically a new person, but our fractured soul is the same.

[Savagelf]

possible the WoL is reborn for the world ascian's world and not part of old this why he refer to the WoL and new old friend the wol was reborn.

when you first start ffxiv you start in sea of aether. could it be was hydalian bring you into being there. if hydalian gain enough aether to bring back one that sarfice to create her this go with both she is prime and a god

[MikkoAkure]

when you first start ffxiv you start in sea of aether. could it be was hydalian bring you into being there. if hydalian gain enough aether to bring back one that sarfice to create her this go with both she is prime and a god

That’s us having a dream when we get the Echo. Something similar happened in 1.0 except it was a whole interactive scene that was 10 or so years in the past.

[spf1200]

I don't follow the 'genocide is bad' philosophy. It is clearly stated that we don't actually EXIST. Everyone and everything across the different shards are fragmented reflections.

Yes, genocide is awful, however, restoring a shade does not count as genocide. As Emet-Selch put it: "You are not actually alive to me."

Well, would you look at that? Guess what? He's right.

Oh your a troll I get it.

[spf1200]

If your "existence" is the equivalent of a dusty old painting, then yes, genocide IS ok.

So according to you Hitler did nothing wrong because he didn't think the Jews were people.

[Raskbuck]

Emet (and Ascians in general) see us no different from cattle. Much like butchering animals to satisfy our need to consume meat, the Ascians simply see us as "fuel" for their ideals.

Spoilers:

I personally lost all sympathy for Emet when he exclaimed we were worthless to him for being unable to contain all the light from the Lightwardens. It was at that point where he shows, quite clearly, that we are no better than a beast to him. Yes, it's understandable why he is doing it, but it is by no means justifiable. He simply looks down on all life because it doesn't meet his ideals. We are not worthy in his eyes to inherit this star, and and such, we are no better than a fly that has to be squished in order to get his way. That in itself is very degrading, and frankly, I have a hard time understanding why some people support that point of view.

If Emet was victorious, we would be the beast he sees us as (by becoming a warden), and the people in the Source would be rounded up like cattle for mass sacrifice. Let's not forget Zodiark demands a constant supply of aether; aether that would likely come from creatures that are "lesser" than Ascians.

[SturmChurro]

Emet (and Ascians in general) see us no different from cattle. Much like butchering animals to satisfy our need to consume meat, the Ascians simply see us as "fuel" for their ideals.

Spoilers:

I personally lost all sympathy for Emet when he exclaimed we were worthless to him for being unable to contain all the light from the Lightwardens. It was at that point where he shows, quite clearly, that we are no better than a beast to him. Yes, it's understandable why he is doing it, but it is by no means justifiable. He simply looks down on all life because it doesn't meet his ideals. We are not worthy in his eyes to inherit this star, and and such, we are no better than a fly that has to be squished in order to get his way. That in itself is very degrading, and frankly, I have a hard time understanding why some people support that point of view.

If Emet was victorious, we would be the beast he sees us as (by becoming a warden), and the people in the Source would be rounded up like cattle for mass sacrifice. Let's not forget Zodiark demands a constant supply of aether; aether that would likely come from creatures that are "lesser" than Ascians.

No. In defeating him we proved to him that we were worthy to inherit the star. As, I literally said like two posts ago, in the end he accepted his fate and the fate of his people. Passing the torch to the WoL. From what I gathered The sacrifices weren't made to sustain Zodiark, but to rather empower him to stop the calamities or perform "miracles" (repair the star). The last sacrifice was meant to bring back those ascians that originally sacrificed themselves. A life for a life.

[Doki]

Emet-Selch for President 2020

[Raskbuck]

No. In defeating him we proved to him that we were worthy to inherit the star. As, I literally said like two posts ago, in the end he accepted his fate and the fate of his people. Passing the torch to the WoL. From what I gathered The sacrifices weren't made to sustain Zodiark, but to rather empower him to stop the calamities or perform "miracles" (repair the star). The last sacrifice was meant to bring back those ascians that originally sacrificed themselves. A life for a life.

Oh, please. That was after the fact we beat him and defied him. If you think he would've had a change of heart before being at death's door, you're sorely mistaken. And don't forget that, by Emet's own words, Zodiark is a primal and that every Ascian has been tempered by him. We were taught from the very beginning that primals require aether to sustain themselves, and if you think that Ascians and company are going to unsummon their God (which, I remind you, they have been tempered by) after the rejoining, you're also mistaken.

Zodiark exists to bend and change the laws of the universe, and they will continue this vicious cycle even after they bring back their people. And, even if they brought them back, they would likely be tempered by his will. No matter how you spin it, the end does not justify the mean. Ascians and company should make peace with their reality and realize their time has passed instead of holding onto an echo of a distant past.