Healers in the new expansion

[Mesarthim]

and why would I when all healers are well balanced now ?

...Wat.

The healer's are most definitely not balanced. How did you come to this conclusion?

[Dynia]

...Wat.

The healer's are most definitely not balanced. How did you come to this conclusion?

so tell me what is not balanced about healers now ? don't wanna hear about dps, tell me only about healing skills, from what I checked sch is still king in terms on healing

[Mesarthim]

Okay, are you oblivious to all of the threads pertaining to quality of life problems of SCH? Pretty much all problems of AST? Do you even read the SCH and AST threads?

If you did you wouldn't be asking this question. The information is readily available to you.

[Dynia]

Okay, are you oblivious to all of the threads pertaining to quality of life problems of SCH? Pretty much all problems of AST? Do you even read the SCH and AST threads?

If you did you wouldn't be asking this question.

im not sure about astro but SCH cry is only about DPS lost, healing is still godly, i tell that once again: you are healer not dps class,
don't like dps rota on sch now ?? go play summoner then, they have 50% skills you lost on sch

[EaMett]

so tell me what is not balanced about healers now ? don't wanna hear about dps, tell me only about healing skills, from what I checked sch is still king in terms on healing

Because dps can’t be a point of contention? There are ways of calculation total dps for all healers. You can actually find that info in a few threads in this very forum. But anyways like it was said above. That’s not the main focus of the changes sch and ast want

[EaMett]

im not sure about astro but SCH cry is only about DPS lost, healing is still godly, i tell that once again: you are healer not dps class,
don't like dps rota on sch now ?? go play summoner then, they have 50% skills you lost on sch

This argument has got to stop. There is nothing to heal. We spend the vast majority of our time doing dps. Dps should be engaging (or at the very least downtime should be). Making those less engaging is not a good design.

Also sch are unhappy about their dps skills not their dps numbers.

Edit: caps for emphasis. Not yelling, I swear. Edit 2 (on pc now, switched to bold)

[Mesarthim]

im not sure about astro but SCH cry is only about DPS lost, healing is still godly, i tell that once again: you are healer not dps class,
don't like dps rota on sch now ?? go play summoner then, they have 50% skills you lost on sch

Spoken like a true clueless person. More exists to the jobs than DPS and the fact this is all you retorted with means you don't seem to know a thing.

But yeah let's ignore everything wrong with SCH and AST and only talk about DPS.

While in the shower I didn't seriously think you'd respond with "Healers can heal content! Lolbalanced!" but surely enough you did.

[galbsadi]

so tell me what is not balanced about healers now ? don't wanna hear about dps, tell me only about healing skills, from what I checked sch is still king in terms on healing

1.) Ignoring DPS is a huge error, as once healing reaches a certain point (that point being "people aren't dying anymore yay!")...improvement doesn't stop...it takes form in the method of buffs (which AST has couple of, and SCH has exactly one every two minutes)...and...wait for it...DPS.

2.) On actual numbers right now, the median WHM outheals the median SCH by about 3%, and outDPS's the median SCH by about 14%. In the event that you're one of those 'don't use the median use the top for optimization' people...the top WHM outheals the top SCH by about 8%, and outDPS's the top SCH by about 21% in current EX trials. Granted, that's only across about 40,000 parses for scholars and 50,000 parses for WHM, but it gives a good picture.

3.) WHM arguably has more versatility than SCH as well, particularly in not having the majority of their actions tied to the lily system (that's what it's like tying everything to Aetherflow for SCH)...and being able to charge the lily system (a) automatically and (b) out of combat (SCH can do neither). As I understand, AST are in a similarly bad spot, but I can't personally speak to that much myself (due to not playing AST yet since 5.0)...but for SCH, I most definitely can. In fact, having leveled SCH all the way this expansion already, and doing some time with WHM as well, I can even say that WHM simply FLOWS better...not only does it put out big numbers, it feels good to play...SCH does not.

The only reason that AST and SCH even have a place in the meta right now (and even that might not last) is the fact that WHM only has one shield.

[PALADIN01]

Damage is not the priority of a healer.. I truly hate being in raid parties with healers, that primarily focus on dps, and don't keep their aoe regen, or shields up on the party to lessen or completely stop room wide dmg.. I have been in so many raids now, where healers wanna focus more on dps, and I end up running around to other alliances raising their tanks (because they are slow at doing that too, or now don't have enough MP), or their party members its funny. Not saying don't dps. I throw my dps out SCH, WHM, AST.. I just don't focus on it like I see so many doing now, so dmg rotation on a healer does not need to be crazy like a DPS role lol.

In 4 man parties, can't really worry about dps (unless WHM, had no prob spamming that holy, and keeping tank up), until at a boss.. Because when the tank decides to pull everything now it seems in 5.0.. I have to use all of my CD to keep him alive, and then stand then spamming that heal, because if I do anything else, he will die.. Though my friend uses TEN materia in his gear (along with DET), and I do notice a difference when I am healing him.. He gets more health back, and takes less dmg, so if he's tanking I can do other things instead of burning through ALL of my CD, and then ONLY spamming heal.

[Dynia]

1.) Ignoring DPS is a huge error, as once healing reaches a certain point (that point being "people aren't dying anymore yay!")...improvement doesn't stop...it takes form in the method of buffs (which AST has couple of, and SCH has exactly one every two minutes)...and...wait for it...DPS.

2.) On actual numbers right now, the median WHM outheals the median SCH by about 3%, and outDPS's the median SCH by about 14%. In the event that you're one of those 'don't use the median use the top for optimization' people...the top WHM outheals the top SCH by about 8%, and outDPS's the top SCH by about 21% in current EX trials. Granted, that's only across about 40,000 parses for scholars and 50,000 parses for WHM, but it gives a good picture.

3.) WHM arguably has more versatility than SCH as well, particularly in not having the majority of their actions tied to the lily system (that's what it's like tying everything to Aetherflow for SCH)...and being able to charge the lily system (a) automatically and (b) out of combat (SCH can do neither). As I understand, AST are in a similarly bad spot, but I can't personally speak to that much myself (due to not playing AST yet since 5.0)...but for SCH, I most definitely can. In fact, having leveled SCH all the way this expansion already, and doing some time with WHM as well, I can even say that WHM simply FLOWS better...not only does it put out big numbers, it feels good to play...SCH does not.

The only reason that AST and SCH even have a place in the meta right now (and even that might not last) is the fact that WHM only has one shield.

2. whm SHOULD outheal SCH cause don't have aoe shields and outdamage sch cause have 0 utility, finally things works like it should and this number aren't that big, finally whm aren't trash kicked from every raid