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    Player
    Dynia's Avatar
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    Yuin Yasha
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    Omega
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    Paladin Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Mesarthim View Post
    Okay, are you oblivious to all of the threads pertaining to quality of life problems of SCH? Pretty much all problems of AST? Do you even read the SCH and AST threads?

    If you did you wouldn't be asking this question.
    im not sure about astro but SCH cry is only about DPS lost, healing is still godly, i tell that once again: you are healer not dps class,
    don't like dps rota on sch now ?? go play summoner then, they have 50% skills you lost on sch
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    EaMett's Avatar
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    Ea Sin
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    Faerie
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Dynia View Post
    im not sure about astro but SCH cry is only about DPS lost, healing is still godly, i tell that once again: you are healer not dps class,
    don't like dps rota on sch now ?? go play summoner then, they have 50% skills you lost on sch

    This argument has got to stop. There is nothing to heal. We spend the vast majority of our time doing dps. Dps should be engaging (or at the very least downtime should be). Making those less engaging is not a good design.

    Also sch are unhappy about their dps skills not their dps numbers.

    Edit: caps for emphasis. Not yelling, I swear. Edit 2 (on pc now, switched to bold)
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    Last edited by EaMett; 07-12-2019 at 04:23 AM.

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    Mesarthim's Avatar
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    Rozemyne Shyahoro
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    Leviathan
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Dynia View Post
    im not sure about astro but SCH cry is only about DPS lost, healing is still godly, i tell that once again: you are healer not dps class,
    don't like dps rota on sch now ?? go play summoner then, they have 50% skills you lost on sch
    Spoken like a true clueless person. More exists to the jobs than DPS and the fact this is all you retorted with means you don't seem to know a thing.

    But yeah let's ignore everything wrong with SCH and AST and only talk about DPS.

    While in the shower I didn't seriously think you'd respond with "Healers can heal content! Lolbalanced!" but surely enough you did.
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    Last edited by Mesarthim; 07-12-2019 at 04:07 AM.

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    Mitracia's Avatar
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    Senel Curtis
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    Balmung
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    Gladiator Lv 70
    I've started leveling my ast, and oh boy did they butcher it. I feel like spending my time on cards is completely worthless as I'm better off dpsing rather then drawing and redrawing constantly during dead time. Not to mention the cards are completely devoid of any meaning now, since they all do the same crap.

    Luckily I leveled on a different job, because I can't imagine myself pressing two buttons for the entire leveling process, what an absolute farce.
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    AikenDrum's Avatar
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    Mio Aiken
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    Louisoix
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    Pictomancer Lv 100
    So it doesn't matter if it got worse, because it was bad to begin with? Great logic!
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    Player RyuDragnier's Avatar
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    Hayk Farsight
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    Exodus
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by AikenDrum View Post
    So it doesn't matter if it got worse, because it was bad to begin with? Great logic!
    I'm saying you're complaining about it being 'dumbed down' when it has been the exact same status quo for 6 years now. Healer DPS has not, and will never be, more than spamming a single spell after putting on a dot. Asking for it to be more than that is just wanting it to be another DPS. Go play DPS if you want to just DPS.
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    AikenDrum's Avatar
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    Mio Aiken
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    Louisoix
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    Pictomancer Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    I'm saying you're complaining about it being 'dumbed down' when it has been the exact same status quo for 6 years now. Healer DPS has not, and will never be, more than spamming a single spell after putting on a dot. Asking for it to be more than that is just wanting it to be another DPS. Go play DPS if you want to just DPS.
    It's only same in your arbitrary level to which you simplified it. Why would i care about that? I care about actual skills i was using, and those did not stay the same. They were reduced to more 'dumbed down' version. That's just a fact.
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    Wiccan026's Avatar
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    Character
    Cerryl Lorinth
    World
    Lamia
    Main Class
    Red Mage Lv 80
    Healing kits aren't where they need to be right now, anyone thinking things are "right" is being delusional.

    WHM has the strongest dps, lowest raid utility and very good mp regen tools.

    Scholar and Astro have raid utility but they have mp regen issues under the current system and that's not even touching dps (which folks are acting like that is the only issue... I'd argue it is an issue, mostly due to now the healers all feel like playing the same job just in an inferior way, but it's certainly not the major ones).

    Nope nothing to see here, everything is just fine...
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    Shila Lail
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    Shiva
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    Sage Lv 90
    Honestly sch mp is fine. With Aetherflow and using lucid dreaming on cd you shouldn't run out of mp at 80.
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    Billythepancake's Avatar
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    Evelynn Outreguerlain
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    Diabolos
    Main Class
    Scholar Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    I'm saying you're complaining about it being 'dumbed down' when it has been the exact same status quo for 6 years now. Healer DPS has not, and will never be, more than spamming a single spell after putting on a dot. Asking for it to be more than that is just wanting it to be another DPS. Go play DPS if you want to just DPS.
    I never had the chance to play SCH in HW, but in SB it was more than just "put on a dot and spam broil". Energy drain and miasma II helped a lot with this, as well as trying to keep shadow flare up at all times (though,tbh, I dont miss shadow flare that much, it was a pain in the ass to use even macrod). Energy drain alone made scholar incredibly fun in dps compared to the other healers. It turned scholar into a game of "how greedy can I be and get away with it?" And that was incredibly fun to me. If I used an energy drain where I shouldnt have, I got punished and had to waste more mp healing than I should have, etc. Miasma II was fantastic for a weaving tool, as well as punishing if you relied on it too much, but unlike ruin Ii (which even now is still a terrible tool to weave with, it's honestly still better to just clip unless you're using 2 ogcds) it was a dps gain to use. Scholar had this sense of risk vs reward to it,
    which is completely out the window now when I find myself sitting on aetherflow stacks and no way to use them. Was SCH dps as complex as I would've liked it to be? Honestly I wouldn't have minded another dot, but for a healer in an MMO, it was so mind boggling and amazing to me that I had some semblance of a rotation. is scholar weak now? Far from it, but it's insanely boring. When I got scholar to 40, I was already in love. Now, in level 80 content, i have less to do than i did back in sastasha in SB, and that's just pathetic. I could play current scholar on an Atari controller.
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