Pulling the bosses In dungeons as DPS a thing now?

[Jandor]

Can't wait for Tank to get back to Need status so you're stuck waiting half an hour. Though, I'm going to pull elitist here and reason people likely put up with my preferences because I'm a female roe and we're so rare they can't help but to want to observe a bit longer.

His character is literally called Tin Can, I doubt he'll be stuck waiting for tanks.

[Awha]

Can't wait for Tank to get back to Need status so you're stuck waiting half an hour. Though, I'm going to pull elitist here and reason people likely put up with my preferences because I'm a female roe and we're so rare they can't help but to want to observe a bit longer.

It has been nice not always being a needed role has allowed me to play other classes with friends since none of them play tanks.

Also I think generally people put up with tanks since most do not care enough to say anything and probably check out the dungeon if the tanks do things like the OP or smaller pulls. From my experience you also may be right if their has been a sudden increase of removing tanks. Not sure if people have been removing tanks more or not since ShB or not. I just notice it more since my friends and wannabe tryhards so back in SB I did replace a many tanks they removed because they knew I or another tank was lurking around on discord.

[Kabooa]

It has been nice not always being a needed role has allowed me to play other classes with friends since none of them play tanks.

Also I think generally people put up with tanks since most do not care enough to say anything and probably check out the dungeon if the tanks do things like the OP or smaller pulls. From my experience you also may be right if their has been a sudden increase of removing tanks. Not sure if people have been removing tanks more or not since ShB or not. I just notice it more since my friends and wannabe tryhards so back in SB I did replace a many tanks they removed because they knew I or another tank was lurking around on discord.

I've been binging Kitchen Nightmares, and I think there's a pretty poignant sentiment there.

"Do you honestly think because no one is sending food back, they love it?"

I know personally I put up with a mediocre tank over kicking them because there's no telling how long that wait is going to take. It's also why the second job I level in expansions is a tank, so if I'm not feeling like trying my luck, I make my own.

I feel like there would be significantly -more- tank kicks if we could re-queue as different jobs.

[Fluffernuff]

Honestly, I dont run into many tanks simply because I'm maining GNB, and I have yet to be kicked from anything. Most of the vitriol i get is from playing the new "noob trap" job but never once been because of my performance. I'm actually usually praised for it. So in my case, I've been finding more less than ideal healers, and them just.... idling in combat. So I think in general, if it's not some sort of anecdotal placebo, that it's not just a rise in terrible tanks that need to be kicked.

I havent seen or initiated any kicks, myself. So I think it is totally a situation of tolerance. Tanks might not be a rare commodity right now as theyve been in the past, but are you going to take the time to wait and possibly get a worse tank? A healer?
The unfortunate thing in this case is that DPS are pretty replaceable, especially if they arent using AoE on big pulls... but then its a question of "do i seriously wanna look like 'that guy' right now and cause a bunch of worthless drama?"

[Doozer]

snipped whining

I checked your previous posts, and a whole bunch of them are whining about "entitled tanks", even in other threads. Maybe you need to calm down and stop obsessing over people tanking in a way you don't like. You really have a problem with tanks existing in a way that doesn't serve you, so I want to suggest maybe taking a moment to consider why you get so worked up about it.

[Gula]

I think it should be of note, tone. Passive aggressive arguing will tick people off more than outright jerkery. "Please don't pull for me." speaks loud and true. You set the expectation of the pace, and maybe people will listen.

[Awha]

I've been binging Kitchen Nightmares, and I think there's a pretty poignant sentiment there.

"Do you honestly think because no one is sending food back, they love it?"

I know personally I put up with a mediocre tank over kicking them because there's no telling how long that wait is going to take. It's also why the second job I level in expansions is a tank, so if I'm not feeling like trying my luck, I make my own.

I feel like there would be significantly -more- tank kicks if we could re-queue as different jobs.

Oh I do not think people love it, though as you said I think people put up with tank entitlement due to how long a replacement may take. My experience with this topic differs from others because I happen to play with people that will kick a tank the moment they can if they single pull, or healer that refuses to dps etc. . . So I really do not know how the overall community handles things like that. I mean when I started to play this game my friends pretty much told me to level as a warrior since they would force me to do wall to wall pulls even at level 15.

Overall I agree with you again many probably do not love how tanks or healers play but happen to put up with it because the game does not offer an easy replacement. I also think this is why we have tanks and healers that think so highly of themselves. Would be nice if we could just switch jobs if someone leaves, I know if that was the case I would probably try to kick more players instead of counting the minutes until I can leave the dungeon.

[Doozer]

I think it should be of note, tone. Passive aggressive arguing will tick people off more than outright jerkery. "Please don't pull for me." speaks loud and true. You set the expectation of the pace, and maybe people will listen.

I definitely say things like that, sometimes without the please if I'm particularly cheesed off. They always assume they can do no wrong and that I'm "getting mad even though no one died" or whatever their excuse usually is.

[battleshadow66]

I don't even know where this poor tanking attitude came from. You're really a dime a dozen role. You get kicked and someone else will come in and do you're job just as well. (Maybe better) And yes, same thing is said about dps and healer roles also. But that's the point, you're not special for playing tank, and the group shouldn't have to treat you otherwise.

Some of you are actually acting like you are doing the world a favor for tanking.


Reality is as a tank, just grab the dang aggro. It's not hard, and if your dps is doing it for you then just say to them to please don't. You're not helping the group by throwing a hissy fit at the dps.

Honestly, I really only see Dps pull bosses which I have zero issues with. It's really only healers that seem to pull extra mobs because I'm not pulling enough. Which since they are my life line, is fair game. :P

[Gula]

I don't even know where this poor tanking attitude came from. You're really a dime a dozen role.

That's not what people were saying before GNB. Tanks run ahead. Tanks pull the boss. It's 2 year old putting shape blocks down logic. If a tank isn't pulling. DPS need to be working on making the current mob die faster.