[Spoilers] I’m irrevocably Unimpressed

[Avidria]

I don't follow the 'genocide is bad' philosophy. It is clearly stated that we don't actually EXIST. Everyone and everything across the different shards are fragmented reflections.

Yes, genocide is awful, however, restoring a shade does not count as genocide. As Emet-Selch put it: "You are not actually alive to me."

Well, would you look at that? Guess what? He's right.

Lol what...

We aren't shades at all. We're fragments of a soul that used to be one, but that doesn't suddenly mean we aren't alive just because mister immortal dude said we're not.

Seriously, I cannot believe genocide of all things was brought into this. Did any of you not read the story? We are not actually alive.

The rejoining absolutely should happen. We are fragmented souls? If all the shards rejoin the source, then we become whole? Are you ok with being a ghost?

Is it genocide to delete your entire portfolio of dead family members?

Are you really gonna take the arrogant sanctimonious prattlings of a grief-ridden and angry immortal who, by the way, was part of the group whose original goal included sacrificing a portion of the new life on the original world to bring all of their dead back to life, as an absolute truth? Are we just gonna pretend that part didn't happen and assume his petty little jabs are the Word of Truth? Come on.

[mario710]

Lol what

We aren't shades at all. We're fragments of a soul that used to be one, but that doesn't suddenly mean we aren't alive just because mister immortal dude said we're not.

Are you really gonna take the self-important, arrogant, sanctimonious prattlings of a grief-ridden and angry immortal who, by the way, was part of the group whose original goal included sacrificing a portion of the new life on the original world to bring all of their dead back to life? Are we just gonna pretend that part didn't happen?

Did you not read the story? The ones who were to be sacrificed were WILLING. What is there to argue? We are diluted shades.

What does it matter though? The calamities will come either way.

[Enla]

Did you not read the story? The ones who were to be sacrificed were WILLING. What is there to argue? We are diluted shades.

What does it matter though? The calamities will come either way.

The ones who were sacrificed were willing. The ones meant to be sacrificed to bring them back /were not/. This is what caused Hydaelyn to be summoned in the first place.

[SturmChurro]

The ones who were sacrificed were willing. The ones meant to be sacrificed to bring them back /were not/. This is what caused Hydaelyn to be summoned in the first place.

oops I did it again..

Hydaelyn herself would have required more sacrifices to be summoned though. From what I gathered Hydaelyn was meant to keep Zodiark himself in check, not the population.

[mario710]

The ones who were sacrificed were willing. The ones meant to be sacrificed to bring them back /were not/. This is what caused Hydaelyn to be summoned in the first place.

I don't recall the story going that way. I could have sworn all of them (except the Hydaelyn summoners) were willing.

[Enla]

oops I did it again..

Hydaelyn herself would have required more sacrifices to be summoned though. From what I gathered Hydaelyn was meant to keep Zodiark himself in check, not the population.

My kingdom for ten characters. D:

Those lives were willing and ultimately needlessly sacrificed because the Ascians couldn't let go. Zodiark as explained in the story isn't all consuming, there's really nothing there that states he /needs/ constant sacrifices or to be kept in check. Just that his powers require sacrifice if called upon. While not outright stated it's pretty firmly hinted that the Amaurotines and the Star would likely have been fine had they not tried to bring back the dead. That act of planned genocide is the only reason Hydaelyn was brought in in the first place.

I don't recall the story going that way. I could have sworn all of them (except the Hydaelyn summoners) were willing.

They weren't going to sacrifice their own people. It's very clearly stated they were going to kill OTHERS to bring back the dead. Those people were not willing and had no knowledge of them essentially being cultivated to die.

[SturmChurro]

My kingdom for ten characters. D:

Those lives were willing and ultimately needlessly sacrificed because the Ascians couldn't let go. Zodiark as explained in the story isn't all consuming, there's really nothing there that states he /needs/ constant sacrifices or to be kept in check. Just that his powers require sacrifice if called upon. While not outright stated it's pretty firmly hinted that the Amaurotines and the Star would likely have been fine had they not tried to bring back the dead. That act of planned genocide is the only reason Hydaelyn was brought in in the first place.

They weren't going to sacrifice their own people. It's very clearly stated they were going to kill OTHERS to bring back the dead. Those people were not willing and had no knowledge of them essentially being cultivated to die.

do emotes count?

Yes, they couldn't let go of their creation magicks so calamities just kept happening, and Zodiark required sacrifice's to quell them. None of what I said about them is justifying their actions either, just from their point of view.

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Actually, I think she was created with sacrifice - though it doesn't specify how many.

What Hythlodaeus said was "There were, however, those who disagreed with this plan. They argued that enough had been sacrificed to Zodiark - that this new world should belong to the lives newly born. These dissidents surrender their life energies in the creation of Hydaelyn, an incarnation of their opposing belief."

Okay, I thought I remembered that line. I was starting to doubt my memory on some of the story.

[Avidria]

do emotes count?

Yes, they couldn't let go of their creation magicks so calamities just kept happening, and Zodiark required sacrifice's to quell them. None of what I said about them is justifying their actions either, just from their point of view.

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Okay, I thought I remembered that line. I was starting to doubt my memory on some of the story.

Yeah, I went back to look myself haha - was like hold on a second...

Let me see if I can get screenshots...

Edit just to clarify I didn't screenshot the entire conversation here ^^ just the parts about who was sacrificing what for who

[Enla]

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OUR EMOTES SHALL DROWN OUT THE SKY.

And ah! My bad I misread. Apologies about that! ^^

[Gwenorai]

Did you not read the story? The ones who were to be sacrificed were WILLING. What is there to argue? We are diluted shades.

What does it matter though? The calamities will come either way.

No, they wouldn't have. Every calamity happened due to the Ascians. The first calamity was caused by them. They create things with their minds, and if they don't concentrate properly things go array. If a god-like race starts to have a slither of self-doubt then the creation magic responds in kind. The more they worried the more they created the worse scenario and brought it into life with their own magic. To the point, they created their own demise as they thought of their absolute end.

Zodiark more than likely didn't NEED all of those deaths to come into being, nor would he need to be fed lives to continue. Zodiark was brought into the world at fault because the creator felt that sacrifice was needed. They then planned to basically farm 'life' - and sacrifice them to their god to get back those who had perished before. So, killing billions to get back what they had lost.

Edit- Crystal mama was created with some sacrifice, though we do not know how much - probably not nearly enough in scale compared to what Zodiark was chugging.

I'm trolling for having an opinion that's completely at odds with yours?

How about you abandon that arrogant mindset and accept that not everyone agrees with the way that you think.

Mate, when your mindset is 'If I don't think this person is truly alive, therefore, killing them is fine' then there's an issue, this kind of stuffs gets the FBI knocking on your door.