WONDERING - why no BATTLE LEVES for SB & ShB?

[CorbinDallas]

It really isn't a one or the other scenario here, you know. Nice try on the snark though.

Except it evidently is. They have better things to do than make actual dead on arrival content. They tell us time and time again that if we want something, it takes away from something else.

You want more pointless levequests that nobody will do? Get hired and write them yourself, and translate them into 4 languages, and QA them, and balance them.

[Vrankyl]

This argument would hold more merit if we actually saw returns on those redirected "resources", but we didn't.

Instead we went from things like 3 dungeons a patch in ARR to 2 in HW to 1.5 in SB, stuff like the tons of quests with no journal entries as I mentioned before when every quest used to have one, and in exchange for all this we got ultimates which the majority of the playerbase can't even attempt, and Eureka which is its own whole other can of worms.

We got PotD, HoH, Ultimate, Eureka, Diadem, The Doman Reconstruction, the Great Hunt, Housing overhauls, glamour overhauls, gpose, housing item previews, GC squadrons, Trusts, the upcoming Ishgard Reconstruction, the upcoming 5.x Eureka style content, the upcoming Diadem overhauls, and many other quality of life changes. All of these happened after the redirection of resources from dungeons and battle class leves. True some of these aren't done yet, some are controversial, and not all of them appeal to the entire playerbase. But just because they don't appeal to you or live up to your expectations doesn't mean we aren't seeing a return on these.

Hell tbh I don't even miss battle craft leves. They were boring to begin with even if they were worth anything, and to top it all off it meant less leves to use on the DoH/DoL classes where it still to this day is one of the best ways to level them.

[Fynlar]

Except it evidently is. They have better things to do than make actual dead on arrival content.

Yep, they sure do. *cough*diadem*cough*verminion*cough*

Wow, I really should get that checked.

You want more pointless levequests that nobody will do? Get hired and write them yourself, and translate them into 4 languages, and QA them, and balance them.

No, I want levequests that aren't pointless so people will actually do them. Haven't you been keeping up with what I've been saying?

Don't act like the process of creating them is terribly resource consuming either. These aren't plot/story heavy events here. They're mostly just very generic "go here and fetch 10 bear asses" quests that happen to be repeatable.

Hell tbh I don't even miss battle craft leves. They were boring to begin with even if they were worth anything, and to top it all off it meant less leves to use on the DoH/DoL classes where it still to this day is one of the best ways to level them.

Combat leves being more rewarding would not mean you are being forced into doing them. Why condemn someone who may not be interested in playing a non-combat class to having an essentially useless regenerating resource that they can only spend on an inferior means of XP production?

[CorbinDallas]

Yep, they sure do. *cough*diadem*cough*verminion*cough*

Wow, I really should get that checked.

Verminion is played way more than battlecraft leves, I assure you. As was Diadem.

So yeah, get that cough checked.

[Fynlar]

Verminion is played way more than battlecraft leves, I assure you. As was Diadem.

That's some wishful thinking if I've ever seen it.

Let's save everyone some time and not pretend those two things were any more alive on arrival than they actually were.

[CorbinDallas]

That's some wishful thinking if I've ever seen it.

You also conveniently glossed over the fact that they were new types of content, experimental, and that they even did them at all is admirable considering the time that went into them, reception be damned.

I'll take something new, even if it isn't the best thought out, than another 12 repeatable side quests. Also no, this isn't about you wanting them to be worthwhile, this is about you being disrespectful and calling one of the most hard working, player focused, and passionate development teams I've ever come across in my many years of gaming and MMOs, lazy. Deciding not to do something in favour of putting resources elsewhere, does not, and will never, make the team lazy.

[MsQi]

Every-time I go to an area with battle leves there seems to be somebody or several somebodys, doing them. Of course that's just my experience and my world.

You know what wasn't worth doing? Large Scale Battle Leves. About twice the reward, maybe about twice the difficulty (well about double the nodes or monsters) but cost 10 allowances!

[Fynlar]

You also conveniently glossed over the fact that they were new types of content, experimental, and that they even did them at all is admirable considering the time that went into them, reception be damned.

1) I really don't care if they were new/experimental or whatever. I "glossed over" it because it is wholly unimportant and irrelevant. The fact is, they were definitely DoA.
2) They continued to pour precious "resources" into diadem, twice if I'm remembering right, to try to make it relevant again. That still clearly failed. Know anyone who has actually cleared one of those emergency missions in diadem, and not just through searching up the achievement on lodestone? Willing to bet most people here don't.

So no, the argument that they have "better things to do" is baloney. Maybe "other things they'd rather do", sure.

Also no, this isn't about you wanting them to be worthwhile, this is about you being disrespectful and calling one of the most hard working, player focused, and passionate development teams I've ever come across in my many years of gaming and MMOs, lazy. Deciding not to do something in favour of putting resources elsewhere, does not, and will never, make the team lazy.

Ahh, so the reaction here is really just more white knighting of a supposedly infallible, flawless dev team and not an actual legitimate defense, then.

Good; I now know just how seriously to take your posts.

[HyoMinPark]

1) I really don't care if they were new/experimental or whatever. I "glossed over" it because it is wholly unimportant and irrelevant. The fact is, they were definitely DoA.
2) They continued to pour precious "resources" into diadem, twice if I'm remembering right, to try to make it relevant again. That still clearly failed. Know anyone who has actually cleared one of those emergency missions in diadem, and not just through searching up the achievement on lodestone? Willing to bet most people here don't.

LoV was DOA. Diadem 1.0 actually saw traffic because 1. The gear in there ended up being decent for Gordias, and 2. It was the only place to get items to craft the HQ crafted items for the Anima relics. Diadem 2.0 saw visitors because of the EM and people wanted to get the Pegasus mount. The weren’t well received, but they still saw traffic.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

So Fynlar, say they do change their minds and add battleleves. No one does them and they are DoA. Do you come back making a post complaining about the content you asked for being DoA, and that the devs wasted time and resources? Do you tell people they are great and they should enjoy them because you do?