A topic on SMN egi

[Atamis]

I have always hated the "Egi"s. They are not summoner material and I would be all for scrapping them entirely. They are nothing more than a hint that they copied the wow warlock when designing the class.

I feel they should either be a Yuna-styled summon where you gain full control of the summon when it is out. Essentially replacing your ability bar with theirs until their time is up.
More reasonable to how the game is structured, they should just be on the field when doing their ability. Long cooldowns and long cast time summoner as is traditional for most FFs. When you cast an ability, say Hellfire, it casts and Ifrit comes out, does his thing and leaves. It still looks flashy, and feels summonery.
I would go so far as to make the dots the same way. Summon Doomtrain (Tri-disaster) and both dots are applied ect. Apply debuff immediately, but then have the animation play while it cools.

[Exodus-E]

I mean if you want to talk about outright ignoring lore than that would be Phoenix. Demi Bahamut was explained away as a result of the ambient aether left over from the calamity that allowed you to obtain dreadwyrm/demi Bahamut even if you didn't do Coil. Phoenix on the other hand is something that you wouldn't even know existed unless you did Coil, and even then you had to attune and absorb that aether to learn dreadwyrm. So how is FBT and Demi Phoenix suppsed to work lorewise for those who never did Coil?

While I agree that it's disappointing that there wasn't any in-game justification for it (yet), there is a plausible theory for it:
When we unlocked our Dreadwyrm Trance over Carteneau, we must've also (unknowingly) unlocked Firebird's, since both Bahamut and Phoenix dispersed there.

The rest follows naturally, with us developing it further (like we did with DWT) to create Demi-Phoenix.

[IlSire]

I kind of understand where they are going with SMN changes but Egis, among other things, still don't work very well.

Garuda is the only one which does what its is supposed to do: aoe specialist, has its niche, good.

Ifrit doesn't really need a weak aoe as Egi Assault II with the same potency of its single target ability, make it a full fledged single target specialist and give it a single target DoT instead.
If we need AoE we should just summon Garuda anyway, it's istant and free.

Titan has (finally) a good concept as a walking defensive cooldown but it still feels too punishing, and pointless, to use most of the time.
Allow Egi Assault to proc Ruin IV and remove the weak, useless, aoe from Egi Assault II and turn it into something for what Titan is supposed to do: support.
How about a Gaol on self that gives a brief invulnerability? A weak aoe Stoneskin effect for the whole party? Or maybe something for DPS, like a crit buff?

[MVX21]

While I agree that it's disappointing that there wasn't any in-game justification for it (yet), there is a plausible theory for it:
When we unlocked our Dreadwyrm Trance over Carteneau, we must've also (unknowingly) unlocked Firebird's, since both Bahamut and Phoenix dispersed there.

The rest follows naturally, with us developing it further (like we did with DWT) to create Demi-Phoenix.

It's been a while but did they ever explicity say when he became Phoenix? My understanding was that it happened post calamity as a result of his actions being partly "deified" since Primals tend to be born from the faith and fervor of those who believe in them. I could be wrong in this case I admit since as I said, I can't remember exactly since its been years since the Coil story lol. Even still the fact that it becomes something we would just one day notice we have as a SMN doesn't fit form me. Every other egi and primal related aspect has required us to attune to and focus on drawing out the specific aether of the primals essence.

[Exodus-E]

It's been a while but did they ever explicity say when he became Phoenix? My understanding was that it happened post calamity as a result of his actions being partly "deified" since Primals tend to be born from the faith and fervor of those who believe in them. I could be wrong in this case I admit since as I said, I can't remember exactly since its been years since the Coil story lol. Even still the fact that it becomes something we would just one day notice we have as a SMN doesn't fit form me. Every other egi and primal related aspect has required us to attune to and focus on drawing out the specific aether of the primals essence.

https://youtu.be/JNZ4NBrOUNI?t=19m31s
His dispersed aether is what enabled Eorzea to heal itself ("A Realm Reborn", as it were).

Also, the Trance -> Demi-Primal approach is different from creating Egis, so there may be some subtleties at play here.
Us "awakening" to Firebird Trance -> Demi-Phoenix later on must've been a "happy accident" of sorts.

[MVX21]

https://youtu.be/JNZ4NBrOUNI?t=19m31s
His dispersed aether is what enabled Eorzea to heal itself ("A Realm Reborn", as it were).

Also, the Trance -> Demi-Primal approach is different from creating Egis, so there may be some subtleties at play here.
Us "awakening" to Firebird Trance -> Demi-Phoenix later on must've been a "happy accident" of sorts.

Fair enough I suppose, just not a fan of the whole "Oh hey, I didn't know I could do that" nature of it.

[Taranok]

The issue is that we have to find a way to turn the class into something that works within something close to the existing framework. Turning the egis into baby's first demi-primal is one of the better ways to get rid of egis and add the trance mechanic in at a lower level, and preserves summoning the carbuncle as a lower level mechanic for story purposes even if it's just a temporary summon. A better method would be completely scrapping and redoing the lore of Arcanist to just delete the egis outright from the story, since the bigger issue is trying to justify keeping a bad system around for no reason other than fluff.

Lore should follow function, not the other way around. Though lore should also always justify function, which is why Demi-Phoenix doesn't quite make sense since the people who did coil literally were told to never talk about or mention phoenix, so anyone who's done coil, such as myself, is violating taboo, while others are unwittingly giving a primal they shouldn't know exists presence within the mind of others.

Turning the egis into demi-primal substitutes at lower levels at least can be easily handwaved into the lore.