Revelations from SHADOWBRINGERS

[JeanneOrnitier]

Man I will say, Shadowbringers has made me want a lore book volume 3 more than ever. I really really want to read up on the histories of these new zones, learn more about Voeburt and Nabaath Areng. And the nu mou!

I may have skipped it.
But in amuarout. Why are the city and the people big?
Like was it neccesary?

Yeah that was weird. I don't recall any explanation either.

[QT_Melon]

Why is that a question of necessity. Is it necessary for Lalafells to be small? Miqo'te to have cat ears and tail?

If the Ancients were bigger than us, so what?

[Tharne]

I may have skipped it.
But in amuarout. Why are the city and the people big?
Like was it neccesary?

Because they were this big ? Why are dragons so big ? Because that's how they are.

[Numenor1379]

I may have skipped it.
But in amuarout. Why are the city and the people big?
Like was it neccesary?

I think it was just another way to show how diminished our races are as a result of The Sundering. As Emet-Selch said in the Occulus, sundering diminishes strength, intelligence, etc... No reason physical size was also not a consequence.

[Alleo]

It's a mercy, whether the present generation of mortals understand it or not, I would destroy them all in a heartbeat to save them and all future generations who would be born into a world of pain, conflict and death. The lives they cling to pale in significance to life in the perfect world they stand in the way of achieving. If I thought I could revert life to a garden of Eden type of utopia then I would find it extremely negligent to let anyone else be born into a fractured world of suffering.

If the mortal condition was but a choice, how many would opt to have a short lifespan, susceptibility to diseases and cancers, and the feebleness of age. People learn to cope with terrible fates because they think it is inevitable and beyond their control. If you don't sacrifice the people of the present, you condemn every future generation who will ever live to death by way of mortality so the death toll of your inaction is infinitely higher. The cycle of imperfect life can be ended, they think. I only agree with everything that I just said if it can be guaranteed that the utopia is lasting. If there's the slightest flaw in the plan which would undo the world as had happened before then yes the ascian objective is a shaky proposition.

But its not in your right to destroy billions of people. You might see it as mercy but I am sure that there are a lot of people in this world that even with hardship can enjoy their lifes, be happy for what they have. Also the Ascians are not perfect. How great would it be to destroy all life including children, in a horrible way (its not like you snap them out of existance...these people have to go through horrible calamities first..) only to find out that Zodiark cant bring those other people back? And it would only be those people. Not all the future generation that you just coldly killed off. Heck their own utopia was not meant to last..why do you believe they can do it now?

Our character and the scions do believe that a great future is possible. That by creating the path towards it, the future generations may walk in a world with less problems. Yes still with illness and death but more peaceful.

In the end you are blended by Emets vision of a perfect world with perfect people but just doing a handful of sidequests in Amaurot and reading the speech bubbles shows, that Emet has created a perfect paradies only in his head and that these people might not have been much different from us.

Also, about the Echo

Is it possible that the true source of the Echo is from the original Ascians? That it came to manifest with each calamity until the souls was close enough to manifest some of their original power. The Shade we met was able to read our soul and Arbert's and Echo is the power to transcend the limitations to read the souls of others.

About the echo:

Well seemingly in the old world everyone was an Ancient one so only "new" Ancient ones should have been born thus only them got their souls split. So in a way you could say that every single living being is a splitted ancient one? Shouldnt everyone on the source then have the echo, since the world was rejoined 7 times already? I think there might be more to the echo than that. Maybe its only for those that either summoned Zodiark or Hydaelyn in the past?

[Rannie]

As they say, "one man's paradise is another man's hell"

[Kallera]

My view on that:

Because she does not behave like normal primals do. She does not force people to be her servants, heck even those with the echo dont need to do her thing. Even now barely anyone even knows that she exists, which goes quite against what a lot of other primals did, because to exist they needed more people that pray and sacrifice to them.

And she is really old. Lost quite some of her powers thanks to the Ascians yet seemingly she does not take (as far as we know) immens amount of Aether. If the existance of Alexander alone would have been horrible for our realm, how can Hydealyn exist thousands upon thousands of years without destroying the planet? Of course we could later find out that all is a lie and she is eating everyone but then how would new life even be born? How can we as the WoL for example have all the souls of the rejoined shards combined in us if she ate them?

I also dont think that those who summoned her as the enemy to Zodiark would do this with the same methods. Maybe they found another way on how she can sustain herself without causing problems..because otherwise those summoners were idiots too..

And maybe a bad example but still one for me: Minfilia got her power, she was one with her, knows about everything and was even her voice for a time and yet is still on her side. Of course one could argue that she simply was tempered but if she only was tempered then, than that means that Hydaelyn does not temper otherwise which makes her a big difference to the other primals and even Zodiark himself.

All of this could of course be wrong and she could just be something evil..but other than one time not being 100% truthful to us, she has been shown as good.

About hydaelyn:

In the end, Hydaelyn acts for hydaelyn’s interests, not the world. In setting about her own goals, her actions bear the result of damaging the star grieviously as well. At least that is what I got from the results of this story. In order for the people of this world to be truly free of the ruinius meddling of false deities, Hydaelyn needs to removed from its position. Even if it sounds like she is a being that has “learned the lesson”, she comes away from it still being an bad actor on the affairs of people. Roping people in with only enough so that they may get things done for her.

[Rannie]

Speaking of just a question the color of the wol soul is it the same color as was shown for his/her aether during the 60 alchemist quest. (want to make sure I'm not misinterpreting aether and souls)

[Seraphor]

But, Hydaelyn is essentially still the creator of the world.
The world before the split, was a melting pot of creation magick, with a strict authoritarian civilisation that policed thought, because a wrong thought could create abominations.
Zodiark was summoned to police this further after the apocalypse, but required constant sacrifice to maintain. The Amaurotians basically had to castrate their very nature as creation mages, to an all-dominating soul vampire.

Hydaelyn sundered Zodiark and the world into 14 reflections, each diminished, but each… as much as our very own world, each with mortals, like us. These worlds, that imitate our own real world, were created by her.
Hydaelyn demands nothing for her efforts, she requires no worship, nor even knowledge of her existence, she merely requests that everyone live free.

In what twisted philosophy is Hydaelyn a villain or a threat?

At least, to anyone other than a self-aggrandizing, overly nostalgic Ascian.

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[Seraphor]

About the echo:

Well seemingly in the old world everyone was an Ancient one so only "new" Ancient ones should have been born thus only them got their souls split. So in a way you could say that every single living being is a splitted ancient one? Shouldnt everyone on the source then have the echo, since the world was rejoined 7 times already? I think there might be more to the echo than that. Maybe its only for those that either summoned Zodiark or Hydaelyn in the past?

From what I understand:

The Amaurotian souls are immortal, and so the sundered Amaurotian souls too are immortal, but at only 14th their power.
The souls of all of those who were born into a reflection, are fully mortal.
Therefore only sundered Amaurotians have the Echo.