Revelations from SHADOWBRINGERS

[Rufalus]

But with siding with them you are making the conflicts even worse. Then it wont just be a war, it will be a mass genocide of whole worlds. Razing something to the ground is also in no way a good decision. Not only will you kill massive amount of people that were good but you would also need to take away their will otherwise it will just happen again. Heck even the ancient ones werent without problems and those intelligent elite survivors just created something that needed mass amount of sacrifice too..

Some might see it as a better way to live without death (but the Ancient ones are just never aging, they can still die) but who is to choose that for the whole life? I dare to say that there are also quite a bit people that are fine with how life is and do not want to live forever.

It's a mercy, whether the present generation of mortals understand it or not, I would destroy them all in a heartbeat to save them and all future generations who would be born into a world of pain, conflict and death. The lives they cling to pale in significance to life in the perfect world they stand in the way of achieving. If I thought I could revert life to a garden of Eden type of utopia then I would find it extremely negligent to let anyone else be born into a fractured world of suffering.

If the mortal condition was but a choice, how many would opt to have a short lifespan, susceptibility to diseases and cancers, and the feebleness of age. People learn to cope with terrible fates because they think it is inevitable and beyond their control. If you don't sacrifice the people of the present, you condemn every future generation who will ever live to death by way of mortality so the death toll of your inaction is infinitely higher. The cycle of imperfect life can be ended, they think. I only agree with everything that I just said if it can be guaranteed that the utopia is lasting. If there's the slightest flaw in the plan which would undo the world as had happened before then yes the ascian objective is a shaky proposition.

[Ilenya]

It's a mercy...

This is interesting, because we only have the Ascian's word that it would work period. And considering the plan seems to be "Sacrifice everything to bring back other people from the time before" that we have no idea if it would even work, just agreeing blindly to go along is taking a risk for basically no reward, and taking it upon ourselves to choose the fate of the Star. Assuming it all works, there's no guarantee the Calamity that struck the Amaurotians wouldn't just...Come back. For all we know, splitting the world was required to put a final end to it. All we have is partial information from an admittedly biased source.

If this all still makes it okay for you, more power to you, but to me, that's a lot of unknowns. Way too many for my liking.

[Gula]

Rebuilding a entire city is one thing but to recreate a large amount of different people's physical appearance is something beyond his powers.

Says who? You're giving defining limits to the extent of his power with no proof.

[Rufalus]

If this all still makes it okay for you, more power to you, but to me, that's a lot of unknowns. Way too many for my liking.

No I meant what you said. If there's a chance it won't succeed then it's just a false hope and I wouldn't agree with the ascians. It's pointless to rejoin if the new world is still flawed and somehow ends up in turmoil culminating in an apocalypse. Only if there was reason to believe that life could be improved for everyone going forwards then I'd find it a noble cause to sacrifice myself even.

[Ilenya]

No I meant what you said. If there's a chance it won't succeed then it's just a false hope and I wouldn't agree with the ascians. It's pointless to rejoin if the new world is still flawed and somehow ends up in turmoil culminating in an apocalypse. Only if there was reason to believe that life could be improved for everyone going forwards then I'd find it a noble cause to sacrifice myself even.

Issue is, Emet-Selch flat out said the next goal was sacrificing everyone new to Zodiark to return the old people. Ignoring whether or not that is possible, hints show that some of the people in the here and now are part of the old group, and even then, this part of the sacrifice I can't imagine people are willing to make. If we can safely do one without the other being a risk, then I imagine most would be okay from a certain point of view, but it's hard to say. How much individuality would people lose? Do we as the WoL/D still have Ardbert around to chat with people when the game wants us to sound awesome?

[dragonflie]

This topic about Tenzin got me thinking.

Is Ryne actually a reincarnation of Minfillia or not? She gets her power and all, but once she did awaken, she had red hair and green eyes, which made me wonder if those were her true colors. If she is, then I guess Tenzin could be previous WoL incarnation. But it's hard to say without knowing how the souls works in FF14.

[Rannie]

This topic about Tenzin got me thinking.

Is Ryne actually a reincarnation of Minfillia or not? She gets her power and all, but once she did awaken, she had red hair and green eyes, which made me wonder if those were her true colors. If she is, then I guess Tenzin could be previous WoL incarnation. But it's hard to say without knowing how the souls works in FF14.

Well seeing as how....

Ardbert is a part of the Wol's soul and looks nothing like the PC unless you made them look like that.... then it's possible

[dragonflie]

Also, about the Echo

Is it possible that the true source of the Echo is from the original Ascians? That it came to manifest with each calamity until the souls was close enough to manifest some of their original power. The Shade we met was able to read our soul and Arbert's and Echo is the power to transcend the limitations to read the souls of others.

[Cilia]

The implications I got regarding the Echo is...

... that it's a result of possessing enough soul fragments of an ancient Ascian to resist the influence of primals and "break down the barriers of existence" through unconsciously recalling the Ascians' creation magicks. The memory of creation magicks is indelibly etched into the souls of those with the Echo, allowing them to subconsciously resist efforts by primals to temper them.

Of course, that likely has its limits, as Emet-Selch readily admits those who summoned Zodiark were tempered by him. Still, low-intensity primals such as the ones faced in the story likely don't possess the power needed to do that, and a primal of such might simply isn't feasible to summon in contemporary times due to the dilution of aether across the Source and Shards.

[Johaandr]

I may have skipped it.
But in amuarout. Why are the city and the people big?
Like was it neccesary?