Disappointment of Shoha/Feedback. Samurai Lv80 Skill.

[ShinMetsu]

I don’t care what any of you say, Shoha is utterly garbage. Probably won’t even get 2000 potency out of it in most fights.

Samurai just getting the boot while already on the ground.

[Hacchan]

The only reason i could think it was meant like this is to force player that never used Meditate in the first place to give them a reason to while those that already used it get nothing out of this. The free attack is a nice bonus but it'll be a once or twice occurrence depending of the fight.
I also don't understand why they kept Meditate cd to 60cd instead of lowering it to 30s for example, so you can't spam to regain stack but can regain them if needed at a faster pace instead.

I quite like the idea of giving stack after a laijutsu and enhanced laijutsu, it'll give the skill a proper usage that isn't dependent on the fight. But to balance this out, they'd have to cut his buff timer to 18 or 20s (that's more or less the time needed to get 3 sen) and put a CD on it so it doesn't become a got to objective but remain a side attack.

[Dogempire]

Honestly I just kinda pretend the skill doesn't exist, it's not worth the headspace to worry about minus contexts where meditate would be used normally, and even when I use meditate I often forget the skill exists.

It's kind of a shame since samurai needs something to increase the class dps a bit considering how much stronger ranged dps classes have become in shadowbringers.

[Mylionare]

I believe making it so meditate deals damage while you charge would make the skill seem more attractive and by relation Shoha more useful. Or perhaps something like Ten Chi Jin where it roots you but enhances your GCD's damage by a certain potency, finishing it off with Shoha

[Baka_Neko1]

It's a waste of a lvl80 skill, sure. Just swap it with the 72 or 76 skill. Changes nothing for anyone already there, but I guess your final skill won't be trash when you finally finish leveling? Lol

[Mistyregions]

There are times you get a one tick of meditate a lot. Os12 M/F is one, when they do the dashes. You can always meditate on the shield phase but why would you do that when you can hit the Female in the middle...assuming you can hit her anyway...but anyway that's besides the point. Its honestly really hard for you to see what I'm talking about when you don't do any savage content so its not easy for you to understand where I'm coming from from higher end fights so I'll stay away from those.

One tick of meditate is not a waste btw, more so if you won't be using it any time soon like in many fights.

Honestly, if you still wish the defend this skill even after I gave you the math of how much it will give you in terms of dps then its clear you don't really care about your dps that much and just defend it for the sake of it, since even yourself said it underwhelming and in this case, the argument is pretty much pointless.

Agree to disagree, have fun using a skill you will hardly even touch in 80% of fights you prefer to do because you don't do any type of Raids or EX primals much.

For now, its too early for this skill to change and the rest of us that wants something better have to wait until the balancing patch which is most likely after or before savage comes out.

I'm glad there are more people against this skill than for it so there is still a chance it'll get adjusted, even buffing it will make it better but I prefer a overhaul like how shake it off was changed.
((Keep in mind I'm not trying to attack you, it just boggles my mind people are ok with this skill when they main samurai, but the samurai's that defend it are the ones that do nothing but dgn's))
Just wanted to point out, seigan isn't free damage because it uses a resource and shoha isn't free since you need meditate.
Free Damage would be something like your assassinate skill....which I would rather have over shoha.

Well I'm like 90% sure you wont be doing omega with the skill anyways. That being said there is some decent transition time in the stuff we got.

[Shurrikhan]

It's a waste of a lvl80 skill, sure. Just swap it with the 72 or 76 skill. Changes nothing for anyone already there, but I guess your final skill won't be trash when you finally finish leveling? Lol

Meanwhile you'd then have half your new skills be trash while still leveling, arguably a much more important period...

[Khalen_Shield]

Kickin SAMs while we're down. Still won't get into Endgame with NINs STILL having their own gear and Meta abilities.

Thanks Square. I mean atleast you give BLM OP for little effort. It IS Yoshi's class so I guess that's a given. They obviously don't really test some classes.

[Drayce1]

Im seeing SAM in top dps next to blms and getting into ex primals and new raid statics just fine.

This is a git gut issue.

[Khalen_Shield]

Im seeing SAM in top dps next to blms and getting into ex primals and new raid statics just fine.

This is a git gut issue.

Actually not, This is a "This ability is unnecessarily held back by a bad execution"

as someone I know who plays Paladin at the moment, you don't have any flooring to speak about getting good. You're playing Paladin.