Shadowbringer: Summoner Changes Discussion

[Gallus]

Personally, I completely go nuts with the aoe, I find it a lot less problematic, because let's be honest here, when you have 4-5 mobs you aren't going to throw a Ruin II just so that you can weave that painflare...you are just going to spam outburst and clip painflare. AOE is simpler, in the sense you spread your dots with bane, start spamming outburst and then clip one or two ogcds between each outburst, weaving here isn't worth it unless you are under DWT or FBT.

Now...your single target rotation is a whole another story...

[ChaoticCrimson]

Personally, I completely go nuts with the aoe, I find it a lot less problematic, because let's be honest here, when you have 4-5 mobs you aren't going to throw a Ruin II just so that you can weave that painflare...you are just going to spam outburst and clip painflare. AOE is simpler, in the sense you spread your dots with bane, start spamming outburst and then clip one or two ogcds between each outburst, weaving here isn't worth it unless you are under DWT or FBT.

Now...your single target rotation is a whole another story...

To be fair, in a lot of cases you'll probably want that Ruin II every now and then for double-weaves rather than single. For instance, you can double-weave that Painflare with one of the Egi Assaults/Enkindle for added aoe, or you may need to refresh DoTs with Tri-Disaster and Bane. I know it's not overly important in an average dungeon with trash pulls, but it's definitely a consideration.

[Nemekh]

To be fair, in a lot of cases you'll probably want that Ruin II every now and then for double-weaves rather than single. For instance, you can double-weave that Painflare with one of the Egi Assaults/Enkindle for added aoe, or you may need to refresh DoTs with Tri-Disaster and Bane. I know it's not overly important in an average dungeon with trash pulls, but it's definitely a consideration.

This is better advice than the whole notion of "just clip" while AoEing. Be efficient with your weaves, make it count. Yes doubles suck if you clip from latency already, but it's always going to be better than clipping hardcast outbursts with the sole exception being if the small sliver of time is the difference between actions landing and not being overkill.

[Gallus]

This is better advice than the whole notion of "just clip" while AoEing. Be efficient with your weaves, make it count. Yes doubles suck if you clip from latency already, but it's always going to be better than clipping hardcast outbursts with the sole exception being if the small sliver of time is the difference between actions landing and not being overkill.

Gotta cast that Ruin II when tank chain pulls 9 mobs, it's sure as hell going to make a lot of difference (actually no, you are being inefficient and losing out on a lot of DPS). An outburst with the ruination effect hitting say 5 mobs accounts for 450 potency. You don't want to waste an entire GCD that could be doing 450 potency for one that will do 180 potency just so that you can weave your painflares or EAs. But whatever, you can keep casting your Ruin IIs against 5+ mobs.

[Nemekh]

Gotta cast that Ruin II when tank chain pulls 9 mobs, it's sure as hell going to make a lot of difference (actually no, you are being inefficient and losing out on a lot of DPS). An outburst with the ruination effect hitting say 5 mobs accounts for 450 potency. You don't want to waste an entire GCD that could be doing 450 potency for one that will do 180 potency just so that you can weave your painflares or EAs. But whatever, you can keep casting your Ruin IIs against 5+ mobs.

You missed the point about being efficient with doubles with meaningful ogcds. But I'm not surprised gcd efficiency is such a lost concept.