So Healing is stressful uhuh yup mhmm!

[fantasticm]

Whm is having a way easier time with everything than Astro and Scholar are. Whm needs a nerf a bit to their mana or their costs need to match us. No offense happy you guys are doing well. Sch and astro just feel rough.

WHM has spent roughly three years (or more, depending on your point of view) in the shitter compared to other healers. During that time, WHM mains across time and space begged for fixes and buffs that would help them at least compete with the other two healers. Now, at the very second WHM appears to have some sort of advantage, even if only one, even if only a minor one, you want it to be nerfed? Instead of buffing the other two? Ludicrous.

And yet, as much as it pains me to say it, SE will likely agree with you.

[Yuyuka3]

Did you just... Make a destination step-by-step process of White Knighting? Daaang.

That, and a recollection of the past two years.

[kidalutz]

I'm currently in the not quite disillusioned phase WHM is finally in a good place while the people that are no longer OP are losing thier minds over it. I'm sure that will wear off in a week and I'll be complaining with everyone else.

[PaulH]

Why can't we stop the WHM vs... SCH vs.... AST vs .... Its like Android vs Apple Wars it goes nowhere....

Why cant we have three classes where they're balanced and please all. I dont think any decent human would wish ill of anyone else having a crap playing experience with their preference.

[ParadoxHealer]

I don't mind spending more time healing. I main a healer because I like healing, but the adjustments to the jobs have dulled them down and made the lines blurry. AST cards are now just a distraction that builds to the same result and essentially should just be two buttons that give either a random amount DPS buff to the group or the individual. SCH lost its versatility (switching between Selene and Eos for different types of fights). WHM feels overpowered. All of them feel less challenging. Just because people main healers does not mean that they should not get a level of strategy or a variety of jobs to play beyond managing mana.

[MPNZ]

And as soon as we have something, people come crying for it again. Yeah, I see how you want us to improve. Decide already. Do you want WHM to be viable, or do you want to have everything it got with your extras and then want to laugh? Because I see the latter in posts like the one I quoted above. And that's been the case ever since ARR.

"We need AoE heals on par with WHM, we need aggro reduce like WHM, we need a Cure III equivalent like WHM"
Stop crying for everything WHM has and finally demand diversity instead. Stop digging away the ground under our feet and accept equality (not that we actually have that...).

Um, I usually play both WHM and AST. Usually, WHM first because progression with it is really smooth, and I really love it's simplicity. But, it just hasn't ever been close to Kann-E Senna level, or fully embraced being an embodiment of light and nature's wrath or blessings. But, BLM still doesn't pre-cast spells for later use, nor is it able to continue a cast from it's last stopping point either.

WHM has been neglected for years, this is a revenge story.

Totally. I've had to read similar sentiments and barbs towards BRD like this for years...

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Oh, WHM was butcherd? Nope. SE believes that the best way to balancing healers is exactly the same as the tnking classes: by all of them having acces to a common set of core skills and abillities, because HLR & TNK roles have specialized functions. They could try reraise or full-cure, or just actually give WHM an AOE float. FYI, whm has been super bland since FFI, and is basically the base design for all healers in Final Fantasy

I'm currently in the not quite disillusioned phase WHM is finally in a good place while the people that are no longer OP are losing thier minds over it. I'm sure that will wear off in a week and I'll be complaining with everyone else.

Um, no. Also, BRD didn't have have like 10000000000000000000000 dmg per minute parses in Heavensward like the rumors. It's the utility kits/buffs

[Knoahl]

So far from what I gather from Japanese forums they aren't happy about the changes either, but that was using google translate, if you all have spare time we can still upvote posts in there but you will need both a google translate window open and a logged in version open unless you can cba to log in again.

take all translations with a pinch of salt though, you can actually see a lot of the healer changes like protect and cleric stance came from them, and they all dps while healing too it seems. So there is still hope, we can cokmmunicate with the devs by upvoting there posts which reflect our opinions

[Mortex]

I don't mind spending more time healing. I main a healer because I like healing, but the adjustments to the jobs have dulled them down and made the lines blurry. AST cards are now just a distraction that builds to the same result and essentially should just be two buttons that give either a random amount DPS buff to the group or the individual. SCH lost its versatility (switching between Selene and Eos for different types of fights). WHM feels overpowered. All of them feel less challenging. Just because people main healers does not mean that they should not get a level of strategy or a variety of jobs to play beyond managing mana.

BRD whas stormblood god tier atleast they were in one expansion the range dps kings. Scaling the most with the best stat and bringing it for free whas busted ofc brd whas so bad for so so long. Whm whas has since years on end and they stilled buffed Astro hard in the last stormblood raid tier and now the whms are still normal only ast and sch got kicked in the ground and off they demand better mana Regen or whm nerfs. Atleast give the job with no raid utility a advantage

[Elgeron]

WHM has spent roughly three years (or more, depending on your point of view) in the shitter compared to other healers. During that time, WHM mains across time and space begged for fixes and buffs that would help them at least compete with the other two healers. Now, at the very second WHM appears to have some sort of advantage, even if only one, even if only a minor one, you want it to be nerfed? Instead of buffing the other two? Ludicrous.

And yet, as much as it pains me to say it, SE will likely agree with you.

Agree here. As a player that healed mainly as SCH, I think SE should just give more mechanics to help SCH and AST manage their MP to compensate for their lack of MP preservation, while letting the WHM being the efficient MP user. Also pretty fitting lore wise as WHM take the vast amount of mana from the environment. Design wise is good too, as WHM is considered the more straightforward and simpler healer, and having easier MP management contributes to this design idea, while its difficulty and fun elements lie on other aspects of the job. Nerfing WHM isn't the way really (if anything, I really would love them gaining more utility to make them more competitive in raiding). The big issues is that we have no way to deal with lack of MP in any way. So we either do not play to our maximum capacity and avoid DPSing too much for fear of running out of MP, or literally sit still to conserve MP. We have not enough mechanics that deal with this. If anything, it would be quite nice if we could have more ways to manage our MP besides doing nothing. Literally poping Lucid Dreaming as much as possible, while only using oGCD heals and DPS constantly and either run out of MP or come close to do so.

[Reiryuu]

My 2 cents on healing in 5.0 as a level 80 whm (yes, the <--- hasn't updated yet for... reasons.

Yes, right now it seems healing is a lot more necessary. BUT that's exactly how it felt in Stormblood too. In higher dungeons and as people geared I find healing to be just about what you'd see in Stormblood. I have not done the EX fights yet, but I have cleared the MSQ and am in expert roulette.


Soloing absolutely sucks and Solo duties are equally boring and way too long. The healer role quests are laughable and WTF SE?! You took repose into Role Actions

See reason here if you're not super sensitive on extremely minor spoilers: (it's an extremely minor one, no names, no story)

JUST FOR THE F-ING level 80 role quest?! ROFLMAO? Yay? Repose has a use... in exactly ONE high level quest. WTG team. /jadedsarcasm

All in all? I might just play Dancer... because that looks fun.