[DEV ???] Primal weapons need to go to pool. 100 battles 0 weapons (100% Totem/Nut)

[Haru]

I'll put on my flame resistant armor for this, but I don't think you've really made your case, here.

In a straight-to-inventory loot system, it would appear to be even more fair than one with a loot pool. That is because it's impossible to be scammed out of a highly desired item. No one can ninja lot it away from you, or kick from the party so that you're ineligible to receive it. In that light, it's even more "fair" than loot pool because there's no way to "game" the system.

We could compare the situation to a roll of a die. Let's say you and your three friends play a game where you want to collect all six numbers, so you keep rolling the die until this happens, the last one done is a loser. Invariably, one of your friends will get 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6 before everyone else, maybe even in the first 6 to 10 rolls. But not you; you keep getting 1s, 2s, and 3s. You're frustrated every time one of the remaining players rolls a 4, 5, or 6 they don't need, and you still keep getting 1s, 2s, and 3s.

But, it's not unfairness that you're upset about. It's the frustration of being reminded that your number hasn't come up.

You are correct to put on your flame gear. Your point is absurd. Having it go to your loot directly in case someone steals your precious item is simply GREED.

Just because you got lucky and got some items. Everyone who was in that party deserves an equal chance or right to that item. In fact thats why DKP was invented etc. Plus how would you be if your best friend or partner was playing and you kept getting drops but they got nothing. Laugh at them and tell them to suck it up and keep doing the battle?

Just because your number has not come up.. Please?
I've invested over 100 hours into Ifrit and Moogle. People have stopped doing it after 20 hours because they have all their items. Are you saying I should put in 200, 500. even 1000 hours to get what other people get in 20?

How about if your boss rolls the dice once a month and says if you get a 6 i'll give you a $50 a month payrise. All your colleagues get a 6 on their first, second, third and fourth month. You keep rolling 3's and 4's. Now their pay is $200 a month more than you.

Guess what Your Number Ain't Up.. Suck it up and deal with it!

EDIT: Oh~ BTW there is only 6 months where your boss will be offering this bonus payrise so no matter what you do you can never get the same amount as everyone else.

Why 6 months only because 2.0 will come in and these fights will be gone.

[Nikita]

Here's to hoping we get a reply since the community team is back, and hopefully a fix.

[AmyRae]

You are correct to put on your flame gear. Your point is absurd. Having it go to your loot directly in case someone steals your precious item is simply GREED.

Just because you got lucky and got some items. Everyone who was in that party deserves an equal chance or right to that item. In fact thats why DKP was invented etc. Plus how would you be if your best friend or partner was playing and you kept getting drops but they got nothing. Laugh at them and tell them to suck it up and keep doing the battle?

Just because your number has not come up.. Please?
I've invested over 100 hours into Ifrit and Moogle. People have stopped doing it after 20 hours because they have all their items. Are you saying I should put in 200, 500. even 1000 hours to get what other people get in 20?

How about if your boss rolls the dice once a month and says if you get a 6 i'll give you a $50 a month payrise. All your colleagues get a 6 on their first, second, third and fourth month. You keep rolling 3's and 4's. Now their pay is $200 a month more than you.

Guess what Your Number Ain't Up.. Suck it up and deal with it!

EDIT: Oh~ BTW there is only 6 months where your boss will be offering this bonus payrise so no matter what you do you can never get the same amount as everyone else.

Why 6 months only because 2.0 will come in and these fights will be gone.

But that's an incorrect analogy. Anyone who gets a duplicate item actually gets nothing since they can't have more than one unique item; they aren't gaining anything at all, but your analogy makes it seem like they are.

I'm not saying you can't complain about the system, or improve it, but the problem has nothing to do with fairness. Everyone has an equal chance for all items no matter what, and that's actually perfectly fair.

fair adj

marked by impartiality and honesty : free from self-interest, prejudice, or favoritism

What you're demanding is a way to shift the odds in your favor. You actually want more unfairness, ironically enough. That's all I'm pointing out here.

[Zanfire]

bad loot system is bad...

[Nikita]

But that's an incorrect analogy. Anyone who gets a duplicate item actually gets nothing since they can't have more than one unique item; they aren't gaining anything at all, but your analogy makes it seem like they are.

I'm not saying you can't complain about the system, or improve it, but the problem has nothing to do with fairness. Everyone has an equal chance for all items no matter what, and that's actually perfectly fair.



What you're demanding is a way to shift the odds in your favor. You actually want more unfairness, ironically enough. That's all I'm pointing out here.

You are correct. The analogy should be, first time you roll a 6, you receive a 50 dollar bonus. Next, designated parking space, then health care, then bonus vacation days, then new office. The list goes on, but the point remains the same. If other MMOs vastly older than FFXIV can make a loot system that distributes gear at an even rate, then so can FFXIV. Especially when the disparity in item acquisition rate is so large.

[AmyRae]

You are correct. The analogy should be, first time you roll a 6, you receive a 50 dollar bonus. Next, designated parking space, then health care, then bonus vacation days, then new office. The list goes on, but the point remains the same. If other MMOs vastly older than FFXIV can make a loot system that distributes gear at an even rate, then so can FFXIV. Especially when the disparity in item acquisition rate is so large.

I'm beating a dead horse, here, but, once you roll the 6, you never get anything else for rolling a 6 ever again. What's upsetting is when someone who wants to roll a 6 sees you roll a 6 (after you've already rolled a 6 and can earn nothing from it) and anguishes that the rolled 6 went to waste on someone who didn't need it.

That said, the system is fair because there's no shortcut; the chance of the prize is the same each time you play without getting easier in any way. You don't earn the prize without rolling a 6 yourself, and there's no way for you to get the prize anyway (such as using someone else's rolled 6) if a 6 isn't what you rolled.

[Nikita]

I'm beating a dead horse, here, but, once you roll the 6, you never get anything else for rolling a 6 ever again. What's upsetting is when someone who wants to roll a 6 sees you roll a 6 (after you've already rolled a 6 and can earn nothing from it) and anguishes that the rolled 6 went to waste on someone who didn't need it.

Maybe in your analogy, but for Haru, it is different. Rolling number 6 is something, anything at all. Haru has been rolling the dice over and over hour after hour day after day and has nothing at all besides a mountain of dark matter. This is the same for many other people, myself included.

I can say with a decent amount of certainty that most people would be pleased if they changed the drop system so that if someone is 7/7, everyone else can be 7/7 if they have put in the same amount of effort. They need to change the system so that the amount of items you receive is directly proportional to the amount of effort you put into it. Is that unfair? It seems perfectly fair to me.

To Haru, to myself, and to many other people on these forums, seeing people 5/7 and 7/7, people who have been running it just as often as us while we are 0/7 is completely unfair.

[Treach]

I love getting duplicates of weapons I already have, I get to drop the ones I own and get a new one! FREE REPAIRS EVEN THOUGH I HAVE 20 STACKS OF DARK MATTER GRADE 5.

Drop rates suck, game sucks, this is SE. Get a LS that will gear you up by passing totems.

[Kailea_Nagisa]

No this is a bad idea. I played ffxi for years and most if not all the LS had the same shit. I dont mind bringing the good things from ffxi over to ffxiv but the ffxi lotting system no thanks. The system that ffxi use has been hi-jacked for the benefit of the few. The LS leads think just because they are the lead or what not believe they are entitled to any item that drops 1st, and this goes for groups of players as well. We dont need other players demanding that every1 pass on the things that drop if you want them, everyone goes to an event everyone should have the same chance of lotting an item regardless if you are the LS lead or not. The point system that LS leads use is a sham, its all about control. It was team work that helped get the drop so everyone should lot on the item/s they want, not just the selected few because they think they should have it 1st.
The current inventory drop is fine it could use some tweeking. SE should allow players to give any duplicate drops away. The system know that you already have the item that you can not have 2 of therefore, let the second item hit the loot list and allow the player the option of passing the same type of drop thats already in your inventory to another player.

like I said before, and I will say it here, don't take the few experiences you had with endgame LSs, and call it fact, I was in a very good LS and none of this ever happened in mine, the leader was very respectful, and upheld the looting rules and point system very well.

This system was not SEs fault, it was crooked players, and No amount of changing the loot system would change the way these players operate.

[AmyRae]

No amount of changing the loot system would change the way these players operate.

Until now, that is. When you get down to it, there's no drama between players over drops in the current system. It's either anger against SE or nothing. But player-on-player crime is averted.