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  1. 06-30-2019 12:01 PM #1
    Deceptus
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    Piety just sucks in general, it's Tenacity 2.0

    Not enough to make any type of difference.

    600 mana every 3s out of combat with 1264 and 360 piety

    250 in combat with 1264 piety.

    202 in combat with 360 piety.

    A whopping 48 mp every 3 seconds with almost an extra 1000 piety.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
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  2. 06-30-2019 12:05 PM #2
    Ilenya
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    Piety just sucks in general, it's Tenacity 2.0

    Not enough to make any type of difference.
    Wasn't Tenacity changed so it had some value? Or am I misremembering what I read?
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  3. 06-30-2019 08:47 PM #3
    Deceptus
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilenya View Post
    Wasn't Tenacity changed so it had some value? Or am I misremembering what I read?
    Tenacity used to be Parry. It was widely seen as useless before the change because of 1) how random it was and 2) how little it mitigated. After the change, you needed so much Tenacity to equal 1% of damage mitigation that it wasn't worth it to gear for it.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]
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  4. 06-30-2019 10:22 PM #4
    Ilenya
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    Tenacity used to be Parry. It was widely seen as useless before the change because of 1) how random it was and 2) how little it mitigated. After the change, you needed so much Tenacity to equal 1% of damage mitigation that it wasn't worth it to gear for it.
    I remembered it used to be Parry, but I thought they had changed Tenacity itself so that it had some value after it was changed to Tenacity. I guess I was wrong.
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  5. 06-30-2019 10:31 PM #5
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilenya View Post
    I remembered it used to be Parry, but I thought they had changed Tenacity itself so that it had some value after it was changed to Tenacity. I guess I was wrong.
    I believe tenacity early in the patch cycle was seen as okayish, particularly for prog, but as soon as crit/det/dhit started scaling up, its relevance waned massively. But really, all secondary stats make such a little difference overall that it's kind of a pathetic joke, as this post shows. I've never really seen the point of them beyond worthless min-maxing (and yes, I still meld because it's what is expected of me, regardless of my personal thoughts about secondary stats being garbage).
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