Goodbye to the lots of you come thursday

[Scherwiz]

They had a lawsuit against them?

I assume it was players who were banned for duplication of salvage items in Final Fantasy XI that brought the lawsuit, but I don't know. I can tell you this as someone who did this quite clearly exploitive thing. Square Enix banned players that did absolutely nothing, while people with 3-5 full sets of gear were not even left with a warning they continue to play today.

[Scherwiz]

and SE has every right to deem what the mistake is and if its against the TOS they have every righgt to ban/delete ALL your character info

you dont own anything in this game, they do, its their game, you are paying for the right to play it


the reason other games havent had this happen to them yet is because most lawyers were sitting waiting on the decision of this specific case to see what the ruling would be because it pretty much would dictate how all future suits would work(and trust me, if this actualy went through, every damn mmo out there would be sued)

Absolutely, they do have every right to do so, and thank you for telling me nothing I don't already know. I would however like to make light of the fact that Square Enix Special Task force is quite bad at what they do.

[TheVedis]

I assume it was players who were banned for duplication of salvage items in Final Fantasy XI that brought the lawsuit, but I don't know. I can tell you this as someone who did this quite clearly exploitive thing. Square Enix banned players that did absolutely nothing, while people with 3-5 full sets of gear were not even left off with a warning, and i'm talking people that played for 5+ years.

it wasnt, the lawsuit is a decade old, its actualy originaly based on how they used to archive their character info so that if you resuscribded after being gone for like half a year you had to go through a hassle of getting your character info back if it even still existed at all
it branchedd out from there into a ton of other stuff such as how players didnt feel they should have been banned and so on


it came down to an entire speal about how people felt that they should not be responsible for whats in the terms of service, that it is not their responsibility even if they accept them because they did not read them

Think about the Cent-I-Pad episode of south park, and its basicaly that


on a similar note, if this lawsuit had been succesful, every MMO on the market would be forced to shut down because they would all be sued succesfuly for every little thing and no longer be able to operate because of it

[WOmega]

i may stick around just to se the changes that go though. i dont personally see many changes actually and i still dont like it but im willing to give ti a chance

[Scherwiz]

it wasnt, the lawsuit is a decade old, its actualy originaly based on how they used to archive their character info so that if you resuscribded after being gone for like half a year you had to go through a hassle of getting your character info back if it even still existed at all
it branchedd out from there into a ton of other stuff such as how players didnt feel they should have been banned and so on


it came down to an entire speal about how people felt that they should not be responsible for whats in the terms of service, that it is not their responsibility even if they accept them because they did not read them

Think about the Cent-I-Pad episode of south park, and its basicaly that


on a similar note, if this lawsuit had been succesful, every MMO on the market would be forced to shut down because they would all be sued succesfuly for every little thing and no longer be able to operate because of it

Uh, you're wrong, this lawsuit was brought in June of 2009.
Gamasutra

And again, I am well aware of the TOS, but there are evolving laws in other countries that are giving players more rights to the characters they play.

[KitCat]

I'll give you the ultimatum they probably received from the higher ups: "Start charging for this game, or we're shutting it down, we're tired of sinking millions into a game that isn't generating revenue".

How would them just shutting the servers down and scrapping it make you feel? you wouldn't be playing either way. At least this way something might come out of it in the end.

Try being realistic for a change. Companies don't run on the kindness of their hearts. It's all about money, and if they deem something isn't worth the cost, then they cut it out.

[TheVedis]

Uh, you're wrong, this lawsuit was brought in June of 2009.
Gamasutra

And again, I am well aware of the TOS, but there are evolving laws in other countries that are giving players more rights to the characters they play.

ok so this is a different one then im thinking of

and food for thought, ever wonder why several companeis online dont offer service to certain countries? its cuz of dumb laws which state that "your terms of service arent legal in our country and we dont have to follow them"

i hate to say it, but this is the equivilent of a german going to japan and saying F U japan i can do what i want and i dont have to follow your rules, and you cant do anything about it

the world doesnt work like that

and people throwing fits over not wanting to be responsible for their own actions is getting retarded

[AmyRae]

Uh, you're wrong, this lawsuit was brought in June of 2009.
Gamasutra

And again, I am well aware of the TOS, but there are evolving laws in other countries that are giving players more rights to the characters they play.

The fact that it was dismissed with prejudice (which means it's impossible to be retried) means the plaintiffs were completely without any legal merit whatsoever.

aka: it's a frivolous lawsuit.

[TheVedis]

Uh, you're wrong, this lawsuit was brought in June of 2009.
Gamasutra

And again, I am well aware of the TOS, but there are evolving laws in other countries that are giving players more rights to the characters they play.

ok so i just read the case

it is exactly the case i was talking about, i guess it didnt hit the court until 2009, it was actualy started well before then



were those bad business practices: some of them were yes(and please note several of the policies were changed after this case was starting to be formed 5 or so years before it went to court because it was admited that the practice wasnt good)
was everything listed in that suit justified: no it wasnt, alot of those people bitched that they had to pay for a game at all with monthly fees, these people didnt understand what an mmo was at all

[Scherwiz]

The fact that it was dismissed with prejudice (which means it's impossible to be retried) means the plaintiffs were completely without any legal merit whatsoever.

aka: it's a frivolous lawsuit.

No no no, I agree completely, you see if it was Salvage duplication like the timeline fits, the player was in clear violation of the TOS, but that dosen't mean I don't think players who mistakenly might fall into something SE deems illegal shouldn't have some way to say they are innocent... is the point I am trying to make.