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  1. #11
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    Jonnycbad's Avatar
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    Seraphus Highwynn
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    Lancer Lv 100
    Jobs are balanced for 80 not 54.
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  2. #12
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    Kai Amaryllis
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    Famfrit
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    You actually gain more dps to let the dot on goring do it's full length than to just spam that.
    Only 40 pot difference from rage to goring each hit. Goring dot is 85 pot over 21s. 85x21 = 1785/3 = 595.
    Over 21s assuming gcd of 2.5s is 21/2.5 = 8.4. so baseline you will do about 8 gcds in the time the dot ticks. Takes 3 gcd to hit goring, so 2 goring over 21s for only 40x3 = 120 potency.
    595 > 120, assuming my maths aren't wrong since I'm not super mathy
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  3. #13
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    Hede Devaul
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    Mateus
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    Fisher Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by koroko220 View Post
    You actually gain more dps to let the dot on goring do it's full length than to just spam that.
    Only 40 pot difference from rage to goring each hit. Goring dot is 85 pot over 21s. 85x21 = 1785/3 = 595.
    Over 21s assuming gcd of 2.5s is 21/2.5 = 8.4. so baseline you will do about 8 gcds in the time the dot ticks. Takes 3 gcd to hit goring, so 2 goring over 21s for only 40x3 = 120 potency.
    595 > 120, assuming my maths aren't wrong since I'm not super mathy
    unfortunately youre wrong. (ERROR the DoT potency was wrong on my part)
    if u removed the dot from goring, it stil does more dmg to spam it.
    the dot is just icing on the cake.
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    Last edited by MaraD_; 06-28-2019 at 01:02 AM.

  4. #14
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaraD_ View Post
    unfortunately youre wrong. (85 potency over 21s leaves u with 12 potency per 3 seconds. Which is less than 36 potency per 3 hit combo)
    if u removed the dot from goring, it stil does more dmg to spam it.
    the dot is just icing on the cake.
    How is it 12 pot every 3 seconds when it hits for 85 pot every 3 secs for 21s total?
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  5. #15
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    Noitems Ever
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    Goblin
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    For real. Man I feel like I've been the only one complaining about progging Ravana HM synced for years with Halone, crying for Yoshi-p to save me to no avail.

    I keep sending him emails that this is an injustice that Halone is not as effective as Goring blade and he still continues to laugh in my face. Let alone taking away my beloved Halone for a 550 potency move that I'll be carrying to lvl 80? Disgraceful.
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  6. #16
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    Greg Eugen
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noitems View Post
    For real. Man I feel like I've been the only one complaining about progging Ravana HM synced for years with Halone, crying for Yoshi-p to save me to no avail.

    I keep sending him emails that this is an injustice that Halone is not as effective as Goring blade and he still continues to laugh in my face. Let alone taking away my beloved Halone for a 550 potency move that I'll be carrying to lvl 80? Disgraceful.
    Isn’t 550 potency pretty good for a normal combo? Actually a bit OP if it crits.
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  7. #17
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    Mute Shellback
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    Behemoth
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    Ya know, buffed Higanbana on SAM is 1440 potency. Why would you ever want to use anything but that?
    /s

    DoT's have to have a high potency to compensate for the fact their damage is a DoT. Not upfront. Just use it once, spam your other combo, and maintain DoT uptime.
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  8. #18
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    Rintha Elenah
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    Balmung
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaraD_ View Post
    unfortunately youre wrong. (85 potency over 21s leaves u with 12 potency per 3 seconds. Which is less than 36 potency per 3 hit combo)
    if u removed the dot from goring, it stil does more dmg to spam it.
    the dot is just icing on the cake.
    That's not how dots work. Tooltips show the potency of each dot tick. In the case of Goring Blade, that's 85 potency per dot tick, or 595 over 21 seconds.

    That said, you're right about Goring spam being better, since its initial hit is 390 potency, while Halone is a 350 potency attack.
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  9. #19
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    MaraD_'s Avatar
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    Hede Devaul
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    Mateus
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    Fisher Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Nezerius View Post
    That's not how dots work. Tooltips show the potency of each dot tick. In the case of Goring Blade, that's 85 potency per dot tick, or 595 over 21 seconds.
    That said, you're right about Goring spam being better, since its initial hit is 390 potency, while Halone is a 350 potency attack.
    Quote Originally Posted by koroko220 View Post
    How is it 12 pot every 3 seconds when it hits for 85 pot every 3 secs for 21s total?
    Yeah, brain fart, idk why I was thinking that. (Wouldnt make sense either) (EDIT: I know why, its because I know I have to figure out the total potency, by dividing the time by 3, then multiplying it by the potency. so i defaulted into thinking i still needed to figure out the potency per tick, when being mentioned like this, but i dont need to figure anything out, as the per tick was all we needed to know.)
    But back on topic, the amount of dmg you get from the ticks between combo finishers doesnt change. which is why goring is still better.
    If you "let it finish" its DoT duration, you just refresh it up with another goring blade.
    so assume its up 100% of the time.

    in both cases, its up ~100% of the time.
    so all there is, is to look at which combo does more dmg on its own direct potency.
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  10. #20
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    Aurelie Moonsong
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    Bismarck
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Otorinth View Post
    I know it upgrades to RA at 60, but it DOESN'T MAKE SENSE for it's initial hit to do less than Goring which is a DOT. Why would they make it to where you just hit Goring over and over again from 56-60?
    Whether it makes sense or not, it's already been the case. You learn Goring earlier and use it as your primary finisher until you learn RA.
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