About the races we have.

[Senn]

Hold up, when did effeminate males equate to young adolescent or younger males?

I don't know, but people sure like to conflate the two a lot.

[Theodric]

Your theories are being made in really bad faith. I don't think you should assume the worst in people.

Why do you believe they're being made in bad faith? I also believe it's perfectly acceptable to assume the worst about people when it comes to seeing them make inappropriate comments about very young characters. That also goes for those fawning over Alisae, as a side note.

I never stated that everybody pushing for those aesthetics was guilty. It's easy to tell who is worthy of scorn based on what they say when making their suggestions. It's specifically aimed at those making strange and unsettling comments.

I do find it interesting that you're among the first to swoop in to downplay concerns, though across multiple threads.

[Senn]

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I dunno, I just feel like your comments are always directed at me, but if not, then ok.

[Theodric]

I dunno, I just feel like your comments are always directed at me, but if not, then ok.

I was referring to this thread:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ike-Alphinaud-..

[Senn]

I was referring to this thread:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ike-Alphinaud-..

Ok, but that's still in bad faith. I don't think he meant it in that way... Some people just think babies and kids are cute.

[Theodric]

Ok, but that's still in bad faith. I don't think he meant it in that way... Some people just think babies and kids are cute.

It's not that specific comment. It's the other, more explicit comments later on in the thread.

[Senn]

It's not that specific comment. It's the other, more explicit comments later on in the thread.

Oh I get it now. rip

[Gwenorai]

You have too much faith in this world Senn. We share the forums with a good portion of degenerates. Anyway, there's nothing particularly scary about feminine men - ever. That's the whole point of feminine men. Also that most feminine men are held to beauty standards of overly attractive females. You will not see a feminine man look like an 'average female.' No, they have traits that are over the top female beauty about them. Terrifying, right? The only way I can see some people even bring up the whole 'you're just scared of feminine men or masculine women' is someone dragging their butt across the carpet with a piece of tissue saying 'gender politics' which is stuck on their now carpet burned booty cheek. Keep gender politics out of the game, it's tiresome.

Let men be men, let women be women - let them have the option to be in between. Having an entire gender be slapped into one or the other is just silly. The only ones that can't are those who are strictly over the top in masculinity or Femininity. This is Roe and Hrothgar. And only the males right now. The rest of the races can have a mix of femininity or masculinity. It helps a lot when we allow for unisex hair styles and what not.

[dustdjinn]

You have too much faith in this world Senn. We share the forums with a good portion of degenerates. Anyway, there's nothing particularly scary about feminine men - ever. That's the whole point of feminine men. Also that most feminine men are held to beauty standards of overly attractive females. You will not see a feminine man look like an 'average female.' No, they have traits that are over the top female beauty about them. Terrifying, right? The only way I can see some people even bring up the whole 'you're just scared of feminine men or masculine women' is someone dragging their butt across the carpet with a piece of tissue saying 'gender politics' which is stuck on their now carpet burned booty cheek. Keep gender politics out of the game, it's tiresome.

Let men be men, let women be women - let them have the option to be in between. Having an entire gender be slapped into one or the other is just silly. The only ones that can't are those who are strictly over the top in masculinity or Femininity. This is Roe and Hrothgar. And only the males right now. The rest of the races can have a mix of femininity or masculinity. It helps a lot when we allow for unisex hair styles and what not.

I think its really has to do with that fact that this "concern" for male characters looking feminine/young is always one sided. Female Au Ra are fine for some reason but a male being the same size gets so much hate and resistance. I don't think Viera males should look dramatically different to the ladies in the form of body type and height personally but the immediately accusations and "worrying" about how they will be used for people just suggesting it has really put a spot light on the fact that we aren't allowed to appear small, bookish or feminine if its a male character.

[Gwenorai]

I think its really has to do with that fact that this "concern" for male characters looking feminine/young is always one sided. Female Au Ra are fine for some reason but a male being the same size gets so much hate and resistance. I don't think Viera males should look dramatically different to the ladies in the form of body type and height personally but the immediately accusations and "worrying" about how they will be used for people just suggesting it has really put a spot light on the fact that we aren't allowed to appear small, bookish or feminine if its a male character.

Height is a major one because it can make and break a character for people. When you pair femininity with small the image that comes to mind is a young male that has yet to go through their final growth spurt. It's also why it's actually more attractive for women and some men of course - to go for people who are 'taller' than them. It's not always the case, but it seems to be. Just like how some men prefer their women to be small and do not like it when a woman is taller than them. I also think it's some sort of subconscious wiring in us that 'taller' in most scenarios = more dominant. And why whenever we see animals these days where an alpha exists, they are taller/bigger - compared to the smaller version which is seen as 'Omega/Beta'. It's old and archiac of us, but it's just how we're wired.

I personally find young, feminine looking men who are small to be too feminine or are adolescents.

I can handle being a max height hyur as they're not that small - they're the average human height worldwide. Male Miqote and Female Au'ra are actually reasonable heights in eastern countries. That being said, female Au'ra's height difference compared to the males is absolutely ridiculous and shouldn't be repeated.