Please Square do not turn Lyna into Lyse 2.0

[HyoMinPark]

Honestly hating fictional characters is kind of weird to me.

Like non-final fantasy context, there have been a couple characters who destroyed all other characterization in nonsense ways that couldn't be ignored or rationalized. I've hated a few of those, but a fun kind of hate if that makes sense. The kind of hate where you shake your fist and curse their name when they appear.

But I mean... anything short of that, I can understand mild dislike or thinking potential's not being met. A little frustration. Hate just seems bizarre strong imo.

People can feel any myriad of emotions towards fictional characters: from love and adoration to hate and disgust. There have been books I've read where a character I fall in love with gets killed off and I can't even look at the thing for a while. On the other hand, there are also characters I despise with the fire of a thousand suns and feel vindicated if they meet a sticky end. Some people get emotionally involved in fiction, and there's nothing inherently wrong about that. Some of us just have stronger emotional reactions to things.

Personally, the only Scion I'm a fan of is Alisaie; though I recognize that Alphinaud had amazing character growth in HW's story. The others I am not particularly attached to. I share the disdain for Minfillia, and I still don't think Lyse was a huge, pivotal character in this expansion. And her Japanese voice honestly annoyed the crap out of me lol. Fordola could have been handled better; but JP did not like her, so that's why she was wrapped up off-screen, I'm sure. I was actually pleased with Yotsuyu's end: they didn't attempt to redeem her; they didn't fall into a stupid amnesia trope - it was honestly handled really well. Enough so that I still felt sympathy for "Tsuyu" while hating "Yotsuyu".

At least no one replaces Asahi at the top of my list of People Whose Face I Want To Punch In. Not even Lyse.

[TheMightyMollusk]

So this is a thread to potentially complain about something unknown that will not change as it's released in three days.
Did I get that right?

I can't wait to get to Friday and see the Forums calm down, are actually complain based on something real.

Welcome to nearly every thread from the past month.

[Maero]

Actually Lyse despite them showcasing her in the Stormblood trailer and all that she really did not have much screentime.
Do not get me wrong i like Lyse but she kind of felt useless tbh. But she looked pretty in a outfit i guess?
Yda did far more
** This is all just my opinion however

[Anselmet]

I think square tried to do the same character arc they did on Alphinaud as on Lyse but didn't fully grasp on how to do it. People who are saying that Lyse didn't take center stage, she did. She was more than just a companion, she was the narrator as we entered different zones. We get her thought and feelings which are often a jumble mess and lukewarm at best. It also did not work as well as Count Fortemps with Heavensward because the man does not focus on his feelings as we began a new zone. His instead was usually flowery language that we can interprupt a certain way. With Lyse, she decides what we felt from each area. Its an adventure of her trying to learn how to be a leader through growth which is similar to Alphinaud. The thing is she doesn't grow like Alphinaud and it came out flat as she more or less stayed the same. His actions had consequences with the Crystal Braves, and I even remember Estinien calling him out for sending us willy nilly to kill primals. He becomes ashamed and tries to do better. And Alphinaud does. She wants to learn to be a better leader. Okay well here is Hien, what did you learn? Absolutely nothing and she's still idealistic as ever. I don't know what they could have done for Lyse to make her better, but I don't think the writers did either. The reason Alphinaud worked much better in Heavensward is because he went from ordering us around to both of us supporting each other in the final fight to save Estinien. Lyse is here for the ride as she flails about from place to place. Alphinaud was there to make decisions and work with our character to find a solution. Our relaitonship with Alphinaud was dynamic while Lyse was passive. I'd argue that we had a more dynamic relationship with Rabauhn and Hien. That passiveness is why people say they can remove Lyse and the story doesn't change. Which is truthful.

So, I do agree with OP don't do what you did with Lyse. Whoever Lyna is, I want her to be more involved in the story and not be a side character that doesn't really amount to anything. Make her matter. Make her thoughts, feelings, and actions matter.

[Vercinotrix]

As long as she actually does something and is fitting for the role, I don't really care. Then again, that'd make her not Lyse imo.

It's so weird that Raubahn wasn't in center stage imo. He's already one hell of a fighter and military-strategist, and he's dealt with cutthroat politics with the syndicate. It seemed Lyse was just given importance because she was a scion.

idk, I liked everything in Doma a lot more this expansion.

[LLSmoothJ]

I would say the title of #bestpotato is in a possible three way tie between Papalymo, Nanamo and Pipin.

Papashan: ...Am I a joke to you?

[LalaRu]

...Becoming the leader of the resistance because her daddy was a good man...

In a lot of cultures, legacy is something.

[Jaywalker]

People can feel any myriad of emotions towards fictional characters: from love and adoration to hate and disgust. There have been books I've read where a character I fall in love with gets killed off and I can't even look at the thing for a while. On the other hand, there are also characters I despise with the fire of a thousand suns and feel vindicated if they meet a sticky end. Some people get emotionally involved in fiction, and there's nothing inherently wrong about that. Some of us just have stronger emotional reactions to things.

Maybe it’s weird to me because I’m a writer and villain fan? There are characters who I’ve looked at and just been like X NEEDS A KILLIN’ but I can still find other stuff they do funny or endearing. It doesn’t mean they don’t need a killin’ or aren’t legitimately horrifying to me, I just compartmentalize. Since it is fiction it’s easier to do for me.

Using Asahi as an example, I actually laughed at him a few times 1) because his yandere crush on Zenos is ridiculous and it is so clear in the cutscene where the miscommunication happened leading to it 2) his faces omfg. Who the hell makes faces like that? What is the little weirdo even doing? But at the same time as all that I can also find him legitimately horrific in how he treats Yotsuyuu and uses people overall.

Similarly, if I understand how and why a character works and the execution reads honest I generally don’t have an issue with them. I’ve been truly pissed at characters who were supposed to be heroes being deeply cruel or even sadistic without it ever being addressed as messed up in-narrative. That feels like a betrayal and it feels like lying. But I don’t think the FFXIV characters are guilty of that, so for me they’re fine. Alphinaud approaches in a minor way for me by being insensitive and self-absorbed at a point, but he gets better and is also a teenager. Teens are like that. So I cut him some slack.

Maybe I intellectualize it since again, writer. “Would I personally want to be buddies with this character” usually doesn’t come up as much for me.

[Insertcoins]

Maybe it’s weird to me because I’m a writer and villain fan? There are characters who I’ve looked at and just been like X NEEDS A KILLIN’ but I can still find other stuff they do funny or endearing. It doesn’t mean they don’t need a killin’ or aren’t legitimately horrifying to me, I just compartmentalizations. Since it is fiction it’s easier to do for me.

Using Asahi as an example, I actually laughed at him a few times 1) because his yandere crush on Zenos is ridiculous and it is so clear in the cutscene where the miscommunication happened leading to it 2) his faces omfg. Who the hell makes faces like that? What is the little weirdo even doing? But at the same time as all that I can also find him legitimately horrific in how he treats Yotsuyuu and uses people overall.

Similarly, if I understand how and why a character works and the execution reads honest I generally don’t have an issue with them. I’ve been honestly pissed at characters who were supposed to be heroes being deeply cruel or even sadistic without it ever being addressed as messed up in-narrative. That feels like a betrayal and it feels like lying. But I don’t think the FFXIV characters are guilty of that, so for me they’re fine. Alphinaud approaches in a minor way for me by being insensitive and self-absorbed at a point, but he gets better and is also a teenager. Teens are like that. So I cut him some slack.

Maybe I intellectualize it since again, writer. “Would I personally want to be buddies with this character” usually doesn’t come up as much for me.

I agree with Hyo because I'm a writer and an artist. It actually makes me mad they can get so much wrong because of it.. - points to Zenos.- His first fight with us had so much promise but fails cause SE couldn't push the letter and have him in plot kill us.. making him a joke afterwards completely in my opinion. He's literally in plot just a level wall.

[Joven]

Papashan: ...Am I a joke to you?

Ack! Forgot about him......