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  1. #11
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    NekoGato's Avatar
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    Mane O'lion
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    Ultros
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    Gladiator Lv 50

    Sleep used ta be mandatory

    don't seem like yall played 1.0 or 2.0, it was the only way to make it through a dungeon. Especially Haukke Manor pulled more then one maid and guaranteed wipe. Over the years the toughness of the dudgeons have gone from chuck norris to barney.
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  2. #12
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    Kaethra's Avatar
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    Kaethra Tatrinae
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    Leviathan
    Main Class
    Conjurer Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by NekoGato View Post
    don't seem like yall played 1.0 or 2.0, it was the only way to make it through a dungeon. Especially Haukke Manor pulled more then one maid and guaranteed wipe. Over the years the toughness of the dudgeons have gone from chuck norris to barney.
    Pretty much this. When CC isn't needed, it falls out of disuse. When its needed it becomes commonplace.

    When I played Everquest it was quite common due to adds being very deadly. Early WoW (2004-2008) had CC as well. FFXIV 2.0 from what I saw required sleep and slows to be used in some cases. Players can be pretty derpy went it comes to PUGs, but they will adapt and be capable of the bare basics needed to progress. If CC is required in the form of sleep, stop, or bind, they will use it. They will adapt.
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  3. #13
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    TaleraRistain's Avatar
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    Thalia Beckford
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    Jenova
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    I'd love a modern MMO that had a real CC class like my EverQuest enchanter. Sadly most only have a token if they have any at all. I did enjoy way back in ARR how it was commonplace to sleep or repose the big dragon on the second boss fight in Brayflox so the party could focus down the little one. And some mobs in Haukke as well. There was no mass pulling because that was suicide when we were all at that low ilevel. I still keep Repose on my hot bar in case of some random usage.
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  4. #14
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    Crasherino's Avatar
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    Renza Everest
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    Odin
    Main Class
    Astrologian Lv 90
    I also still have my repose on my hotbar as well, I used it every now and then while doing some quests on my way to 70 where some mobs actually hit decently hard on me, but outside of that, I havn't used it in dungeons ever since 50 was the level cap, I even made a macro for my repose where it would put a bind marker on the mob, say a few words, and then sleep it, I've always thought having plenty of CC in the game (providing there's also ways to resist against it properly as a player) makes it a lot more entertaining, instead of everything just dealing damage.
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  5. #15
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    Noshpan's Avatar
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    Gridania
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    Ganth Fyrion
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    Leviathan
    Main Class
    Red Mage Lv 90
    During my experience leveling BLM, I have given up on using CC. There is simply no point to it when other players will attack the CC'd mob anyway
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    I LIKE the fence. I get 2 groups to laugh at then.

  6. #16
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    Misutoraru's Avatar
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    Misutoraru Valkyrie
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    Cerberus
    Main Class
    Astrologian Lv 100
    Still remember sleeping the boss in brayflox longstop, which help relief the stress of heal and tank, those days are gone.
    The ridiculous AOE dmg we could dash out, the way too generous il sync turning everything non Savage faceroll
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  7. #17
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    PatronasCharm's Avatar
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    Patronas Charm
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    Leviathan
    Main Class
    Red Mage Lv 96
    I don't think I played this game with a CC; I do recall having a tank putting A / B / C or other icons like 1 / 2 / 3 telling us what mob to kill first; but again he just took the hits. However, this makes me very reminiscent of FFXI during a Dynamis Event in Windurst, and on my little black mage, we would Sleepga I >> Sleepga II all the mobs, making sure we took the boss down before getting wiped by trash... even though the trash in FFXI was literally an impossible to gauge mob nonetheless lol.

    But it would be neat to add a DNG or Raid like that where SE gives certain classes CC abilities, maybe a "Sleeping Shot" to Bard, give BLM "Sleepga" just for a DNG to keep enemies asleep. Even if its something simple like having to fight three bosses and the goal is to keep them asleep, while we take a boss down at a time.
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    Chemist Healer Concept http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/370920-Chemist-Healer-Concept
    Geomancer Healer Concept: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/366107-Geomancer-New-Healer-Concept
    Mystic Fencer DPS: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/391883-Mystic-Fencer-Concept-%28Magical-Melee-DPS%29
    Geomancer Caster DPS https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/420228-Geomancer-Earth-s-Wrath-%28Caster-DPS%29

  8. #18
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    Crushnight's Avatar
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    Jets Down
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    Gilgamesh
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    Dancer Lv 90
    CC hasn't been a thing for bosses since A3S barring stun and even that bosses are immune due to what happens to ifrit hm, this is their problem if they are useful are they mandatory? looking at Shadowbringers they could make them mandatory due to tank's access to them but would ranged jobs be better using them questions start to crop up
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    Guy butt is best butt <3

  9. #19
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    Mistyregions's Avatar
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    Misty Regions
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    Brynhildr
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    Warrior Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Crushnight View Post
    CC hasn't been a thing for bosses since A3S barring stun and even that bosses are immune due to what happens to ifrit hm, this is their problem if they are useful are they mandatory? looking at Shadowbringers they could make them mandatory due to tank's access to them but would ranged jobs be better using them questions start to crop up
    I recently was running some older content and stunned a boss when it was doing an aoe, the DPS was suprised, they said they never seen a tank stun a boss before.

    I laughed, I then cried. I still use stun every single pull, and sometimes I catch myself just attempting to stun out of reflex.
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  10. #20
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    Neophyte's Avatar
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    Mim Silmaril
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    Phoenix
    Main Class
    Summoner Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeCrystarium View Post
    CC will never be a feature while encounters are designed with pushing DPS as hard as possible within certain time limits, as well as bosses typically being immune to all CC/or gaining resistance after so many uses.

    A3s and A6s were both hard dps checks and still had crowd control. I don't see the connection, high raid dps requirement doesn't mean that you can't have mechanics were you need to slow/stun/bind/sleep stuff.
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