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    Lauront's Avatar
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    Tristain Archambeau
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arngrim_Greyashe View Post
    First of all, they weren't a replacement for male viera. They were the choice made to please the people that wanted a beastial race. And they did get what they wanted, and you proceeded to be rude about it instead of going "Okay, I understand and am dissatisfied and that I didn't get what I wanted. Hopefully they'll add what I want if I go support this thread." You said "Male Hrothgar look as dumb as I thought they would. *insert more angry text here*"

    I get tired of the holier than though approach that some supporters here take. Like they were in the wrong but still act like they're the defenders of justice for Viera.
    Here's the issue:

    1) You have Yoshi-P stating that in terms of resources, adding two separate genders per race is equivalent to adding one full race.

    2) They have stated they would consider adding the missing genders, but that resource costs currently prevent it. This is only some time after they were moved to respond to the topic, following fan outcry about their decision not to add male Viera and female Hrothgar.

    2) is conditional in nature, and means unless that happens, they are in fact acting as a replacement for the gender not added. I don't see how that conclusion can be avoided, when they themselves have framed it this way.

    Now it is true that those requesting mViera can be respectful in how they approach the topic, but I'm not sure why SE's decision here should not be seen for what it is.
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    Grimnir Greywolfe
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lauront View Post
    Here's the issue:

    1) You have Yoshi-P stating that in terms of resources, adding two separate genders per race is equivalent to adding one full race.

    2) They have stated they would consider adding the missing genders, but that resource costs currently prevent it. This is only some time after they were moved to respond to the topic, following fan outcry about their decision not to add male Viera and female Hrothgar.

    2) is conditional in nature, and means unless that happens, they are in fact acting as a replacement for the gender not added. I don't see how that conclusion can be avoided, when they themselves have framed it this way.

    Now it is true that those requesting mViera can be respectful in how they approach the topic, but I'm not sure why SE's decision here should not be seen for what it is.
    This is subverting the blame. You're neglecting to accept the fact that male viera supporters acted rabid in the beginning and lashed out at those that were hppy. SE took the route they did to try and please as many people as possible. Yoshi P has already apologized for the situation and has said they will be more transparent in the future. Although, it's not even their fault that an expectation was built for something THAT WAS NOT PROMISED. The player base ignored all previous signs, blatantly assuming they were getting something that has been addressed in the past as a "probably not". This by no means is to be taken as that I don't support the adding of the genders, but by god do some of you make it hard to want to support this at all.
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