Wedging healers into a pure healing role may have some advantages.

[AikenDrum]

Surely no one will figure out the completely disingenuous lack of effort or consideration to the original posts.

You mean the original post that said

But we need to clear the forums before that, otherwise constructive feedback will get flooded in the shitposting.

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[Laphael]

I´m not too sad about the healer changes. Sch dps spells got removed to match the other 2 healers.

I´m more concerned, that the dps players get so much "support abilities" instead of the healers. I can count on 1 Hand, the times (outside of savage) i see dps players use things like palisade, Apocastasis, addle or even manashift ... Why not use it if its ogcd, and free and a help for the grp.

I can understand, that Tanks get some shield-abilities, because there job is basically being the shield for the party.

[LariaKirin]

You mean the original post that said

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I mean the original post that said:

Fully agree. It's just that angry people are likely to be more noisy online that people that either agree, don't care or don't feel anything about it before actually experiencing it.

I healed on AST and WHM is SAvage and extreme trials, I know how healing works in the game and I don't have much of an opinion on the healer DPS changes before I play the content. And as you say, AST has no change on that regard, and WHM just loses one DoT. It's a bit more understandable for SCH, but as you say I doubt that half of the people complaining here about SCH change actually manage to master the job as it currently is.

I'm pretty much let down by WHM being as bland as before, and AST card changes are a bit disappointing but I'm still interested to see how it works in a raid context. I like to think that the upcoming release and patches are a good occasion to bring this up if it actually needs fixing.
But we need to clear the forums before that, otherwise constructive feedback will get flooded in the shitposting.

Before you stripped it to:

But we need to clear the forums before that, otherwise constructive feedback will get flooded in the shitposting.

So which is it? Do you not have the capacity to understand this post and the context in which it was made? Or are you simply disingenuously cutting bits and pieces of it to make it more convenient for you?

[Mansion]

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SICKNESS MUST BE PURGED

I awkwardly meant that the ongoing dynamic on the healer forum is bringing nothing to no one. Constructive feedback is drowned in the flow of posts and topics that all roughly go around the same things, over and over. So once the expansion is out, we need to make sure that feedback is easy to find, relevant and easy to understand.

From what I understand now, the devs position is "wait until you try it", as per the latest Yoshi-P interview where the question about WHM's lack of raid buff was asked to him. So I guess they'll only consider feedback that comes after the launch. So it needs to be clearly exposed, like 3 consolidated 5.0 feedback on each healer, with the top post quoting all relevant feedback from other players, for instance?

I'm not saying nothing intelligent has been said up until today concerning the 5.0 healer changes, we have all read quite interesting posts from people with relevant experience on the topic. I'm saying that it has been horribly painful to read it because it is scattered here and there, and it's floating around hundreds of empty posts.

[AikenDrum]

There's a button which you can click and read entire post, no reason to quote it completely, especially if you only replying to the part of it, since doing it really floods up the forum with duplicate information. Why am i explaining obvious stuff? I do not know. But forums are even more flooded now!

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Ah, well consolidation feedback for SE is fine, but people are gonna discuss (complain) changes now, there isn't much else to do anyway

[Writer]

I think the AST changes are big.
They basically change the whole card system to a balance only party and take away all skills that let you extend buffs.
For me personally these two things were the reason I mained AST. I liked to have different kind of buffs and I loved playing around with the effects of Celestial Opposition and Time Dilation.
Meaning at least for me these changes are so grave that I won't main this job anymore. And I'm sure there are other people who share my opinion.

In general what I feel caused the AST changes is that prior to the change and ASTs speaking up about how they like to use Arrow on this and Ewer here, most talked about just Balance + AOE fishing no matter what and that the other cards just didn't matter. They were discarded until Minor Arcana was unlocked. It was basically self inflicted tbh.