Please don't delete tank carbuncle from SMN

[lulunami]

Titan-Egi has been nerfed a lot since Ramuh Ex (2.0 ARR) since it was better than actual tanks in that fight. Also Titan-Egi loses all enmity once Demi-Bahamut is summoned (4.0 SB), so you lose a lot of damage if you want Titan-Egi to keep enmity. Tank pet has unfortunately become irrelevant for a long time. The developer team does not want tank pet to be viable.

[ArcaneCarbuncle]

What I don't understand is how people can say Summoner is not a Pet Job anymore.
The Pets may not be targetable anymore, but they are still their own entities on the battlefield, and with the changes you are now not only encouraged to manually manage their skills (rather then leaving them to their own devices), you are now rewarded for switching them based on the situation you're in. If anything ShB's Summoner feels like more of a pet Job than its ever been.

As for soloability, while I can understand the concerns, I feel it is important to see things in context. Outside of Summoner, no other Job had a Pocket Tank, and still every Job managed to do their solo duties just fine (and that includes Summoner itself seeing as Titan-Egi was just plain bad at keeping aggro).
Titan-Egis shift from Tank Pet to "Solo"-Pet feels like an improvement, honestly, because at least now you get a use out of him through Earthen Armor - lets face it, a 20% Defense Buff with almost perfect uptime is nothing to scoff at.

That said, I wouldn't be angry if they chose to finally have Physick scale of Int rather than keeping it around as a pretty much useless Skill. Though that is more because I believe that as long as there is relevant soloable content in the game (Deep Dungeons/Exploratory Missions) every Jobs should get a halfway decent Selfheal, be it Job-Specific or provided through Role Skills - but thats just me.
Alternatively they also could further strengthen Titan-Egis Identity as Solo-Pet by giving his Egi-Assault I some sort of absorption effect similar to what DRK has on a few of his Skills - Hit the target and heal the Caster, in this case the Summoner - for a set potency.

[ty_taurus]

What about bringing it down to your Single-Target and AoE Pets only, Titan-Egi becomes an Alternate Single-Target Pet to Ifrit (Similar to Selene and Eos). Open to door for Ramuh, Leviathan, and Shiva to also get egis in the same fashion...

Single Target: Ifrit, Titan, Leviathan

Multi Target: Shiva, Gaurda, Ramuh

And then add a "tank stance" ability that can apply to either pet. When toggled on, reduces your pet's damage by 20% while lowering the damage you receive by 20%?

[Elenoe]

The Pets may not be targetable anymore, but they are still their own entities on the battlefield

well, I don't really mind, but they are right. Pets are going to loose their "body". While it is annoying they die to everything in some fights, usually they are immune to everything but some attacks like tank busters and such. And as such now I still need to position him well, and be aware where he is, at least some times. He takes aggro off me, meaning if you send him after something he will keep it for himself. And in reality he's always on manual and you use skills for yourself.

New one doesn't have body. You won't really need to care where he is. If he attacks anything it will automatically go after you (with pet chasing it). And "his" skills are literally your oGCD skills now (well, I still hope they are, and not the current "l-e-t--m-e--t-h-i-n-k--i-f--i-t--i-s--t-h-e--r-i-g-h-t--t-i-m-e--t-o--q-u-e-u-e--i-t"). So he really becomes just an instant cast "dot" with cute skin

If anything ShB's Summoner feels like more of a pet Job than its ever been.

I disagree. But he isn't much better now, so not a problem. "The Summoner" would be a class fully relying on pet(s). Where you would simply lack any offensive skills and you would just change behaviour/buff/order your pet what to do. As of now, a summoner is a strong caster... having two minions... now with bonus DOT!

As for soloability, while I can understand the concerns

on this one, I don't. I've never really used it during all the MSQ. There never was a need. I used it only in Eureka as HP buffer... until level 5 when I understood soloing is not a way anyway (also Eureka potions). The best defense is offense served me better. And outside duties.. Kweh!

[Elenoe]

Single Target: Ifrit, Titan, Leviathan

Multi Target: Shiva, Gaurda, Ramuh

I keep hearing these requests but what would be the point? (except having 4 more buttons on bar/in rotation like we already haven't more then other classes because of pet control)? Having 3 ST pets means only one thing.. you will only use the best of them all the time. I'm kinda afraid they will be like that anyway. Given Ifrit has AOE as well, is stronger and Garuda looses her edge she has now because of how scaling works.

[Dyvid]

He is talking about egi glamour

[Rarrum]

I've always liked pet classes in MMOs. I picked summoner because it was a pet class. Visual buffs that don't indepently interact with other creatures in the world don't qualify as a pet in my spellbook. Shadowbringers is effectively deleting the concept of pet classes from the game.

It's not about dps. There's a lot more to an MMO than maxing out dps; FF14 in particular has such a rich variety of things to do. The versatility of having a ghetto little mediocre pocket tank really added to the fun you can with have class. Recently in eureka I was using it to temporarily offtank accidental l adds in a 3-person group; I pulled it out in the raid group that lost our tank so that we (just barely) didn't fail that; I've been using it in palace of the dead trying to solo that for fun. These are all non-dps things that are going to be lost soon. It makes me sad to see it dumbed down.

[Sylvain]

I 100% agree but I think it is probably too late. I've swapped to RDM as, if I have to facetank things, I at least need a reliable heal.

A reliable heal.... for killing monster ? What do you fight? yourlv+4 mobs?

While we know that to be true, I fear it will have detrimental outcome for SMN leveling and solo duties. With no personal pet tank, with only heal (Physick) scalling from Mind rather than Int, and with HP shield that Titan will now give being 20% on 30 sec cd... I don't think we will have much staying power.

And how do you think BLM level?

What's up with summoner afraid of taking a hit....

[Warlyx]

A reliable heal.... for killing monster ? What do you fight? yourlv+4 mobs?



And how do you think BLM level?

What's up with summoner afraid of taking a hit....

rdm have an awesome heal spell, instant casts 50% of the time

blm has RAW dmg

SMN has DOTS and a pet.....oh nvm , no pet taking the hits while dots do its thing, well at least smn now has tons of "phases" with instant cast spells and a weak aoe heal on phoenix , titan can put a shield i guess before entering combat , and change to ifrit instantly

[Mansion]

But who actually died/wiped in the situation that Titan-Egi would have saved you? Do we really want to balance SMN's design and gameplay around this handful of situation, for a handful of players?

SMN has been my main forever and I've always hated the pet system because of its clunkiness, and Demi-Bahamut's addition made me consider the idea of having this system for Egis : no unresponsive AI when you want precise timing (aligning Contagion on a Trick attack for instance, and having to "abuse" the Obey/Sic command just for that) ? Take my money right away.

Dangerous and solo content on the overworld is less than 1% of the game. We don't need a dedicated pet for that. You can't compare to VerCure which is both a lore flavour spell and part of RDM's core gameplay : dual cast. AND the overworld can be played with your chocobo that does the same thing (if not better).