The Warrior of Light is not tempered by Hydaelyn.

[Crushnight]

The thing i like to know most about the mural is how is it meant to be read to the audience, is it tailored more to western audiences where we read left to right or more tailored to eastern audiences where (to my understanding) they read right to left.

edited twice brain isn't working >_>

[QT_Melon]

I started wondering where we got the account about Zodiark, since it was said he was getting stronger which is why Hydaelyn expelled him. Yet not sure if it's due to our connection to Hydaelyn that we never get his account of history. Unless it's something weird, like Elidibus IS Zodiark :P

This of course can be a storytelling issue (don't reveal the plot) but we only have the account that the darkness was growing and had to be expelled. Doing so also broke the world into different dimensions. Who gave that account...to the winners go the spoils?

Then of course my mind is nagging me about another story by SE where we were ushered to do things to save the world.

Bravely Default: Where the Fairy Flies

[Crushnight]

Bravely Default: Where the Fairy Flies

Despite its flaws i love that game :P i wonder if a pixie might be called Airy or Anne as well, if there is the moment i see it be taking my boot off to squish

[QT_Melon]

Despite its flaws i love that game :P i wonder if a pixie might be called Airy or Anne as well, if there is the moment i see it be taking my boot off to squish

I am not gonna lie, during the Heavenward relic quests I got weary

[Yshnal]

You seem to be missing the major iisues why a primal is a problem.

Primals need to exist by using up Aether which in turn destroys the planet.



Source: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ure-of-Ascians

Being a likeable Primal doesn't negate the problem. This has nothing to do with rituals, this has to do with basically "climate change" you can ignore it and just assume a future generation is going to deal with it or actually work on the problem. Similar concept of saving the planet in many FFs before this one. Questioning faith, another similar theme in prior FFs.



This is my theory or at least connecting the dots on what's going on so far.

Hydaelyn (the will) who speaks with us is a Primal
Hydaelyn Primal IS NOT Hydaelyn the planet

Elidibus in the trailer mentions BOTH Zodiark and Hydaelyn are primals

Elidibus also mentions One True God (and says that's Zodiark).

Elidibus also appears to have a different endgame that isn't the same as the other Ascians.

So it's possible that he sees Zodiark differently than the Ascians ie the ones the Ascians follow are a primal but the one Elidibus thinks of is not the same...(which may be a different primal vision of Zodiark) much like how there were different incarnations of Titan and maybe why that scene was important to note with Ga Bu's summoning of Titan (it reiterates how primals work and depending on the summon, it's not the same one).

Of course Hydaelyn and Zodiark being the oldest of them (if we are to believe Elidibus) does bring into question why it was seemingly forgotten long ago, and why the 12 became a more ...popular mode of worship? It may have something to do with the split or that Hydaelyn as the Will is more benign and people wanted to worship something that ...may have more impact on their fates? (At least what the people believed to have more impact)

No, no. I seem to not have explained it well, as I'm not talking about likeable primals like Ramuh, for example. I agree that the majority of primals that we know (summoned by the ascians' meddling) are not "good" in the long run, as they consume way too much aether, which is dangerous. That's also partially why the ascians help them to get summoned, to weaken the mothercrystal. But what I was talking about is about primals like the kami, or Hydaelyn and Zodiark. These are primals that are linked to their own source of aether (see the kojin tribe quests [no spoilers in case someone hasn't completed them yet], which can be extrapolated to the gigantic crystals that we know that hold Hydaelyn and her counterpart) and don't go beyond that. Once their own source is depleted they are gone, which fits perfectly with the ascians' plan. That's why I think that it's important to differentiate between each one of them and not put them in the same category, similarly to how we can differentiate between natural and man made things (like the fire example).

[QT_Melon]

No, no. I seem to not have explained it well, as I'm not talking about likeable primals like Ramuh, for example. I agree that the majority of primals that we know (summoned by the ascians' meddling) are not "good" in the long run, as they consume way too much aether, which is dangerous. That's also partially why the ascians help them to get summoned, to weaken the mothercrystal. But what I was talking about is about primals like the kami, or Hydaelyn and Zodiark. These are primals that are linked to their own source of aether (see the kojin tribe quests [no spoilers in case someone hasn't completed them yet], which can be extrapolated to the gigantic crystals that we know that hold Hydaelyn and her counterpart) and don't go beyond that. Once their own source is depleted they are gone, which fits perfectly with the ascians' plan. That's why I think that it's important to differentiate between each one of them and not put them in the same category, similarly to how we can differentiate between natural and man made things (like the fire example).

That's not what has been said. She has been likened to a parasite. I think this xpac is testing our Kool Aid drinking abilities. Basically do we do what's right when our greatest challenge also comes from being an ally?

Also keep in mind that the revelation that Zodiark and Hydaelyn are primals was considered minor per Yoshi P

[Yshnal]

That's not what has been said. She has been likened to a parasite. I think this xpac is testing our Kool Aid drinking abilities. Basically do we do what's right when our greatest challenge also comes from being an ally?

Also keep in mind that the revelation that Zodiark and Hydaelyn are primals was considered minor per Yoshi P

A parasite in the ascians' view, as they see Hydaelyn as a being imprisoning and taking the spot of the one that they consider the "rightful ruler", or "True God" as they call him. Note that they make this differentiation themselves based on their interests (they don't say that Zodiark is a parasite, for instance), so neither "parasite" or "true god" hold any water in this context.

And you're right, we still don't know literally anything about the truth, haha. But it's fun to speculate

[Crushnight]

I am not gonna lie, during the Heavenward relic quests I got weary

XD so was i thankfully nothing came about apart from grinding

[Edax]

it tailored more to western audiences where we read left to right or more tailored to eastern audiences where (to my understanding) they read right to left.

edited twice brain isn't working >_>

Modern Chinese, Korean and Japanese is written left to right when horizontal, just like the Western system.
When the characters are in columns or pages, it's right to left.

If it's a horizontal mural, I'm guess they'd read it left to right unless it was covered in word columns.

[QT_Melon]

A parasite in the ascians' view, as they see Hydaelyn as a being imprisoning and taking the spot of the one that they consider the "rightful ruler", or "True God" as they call him. Note that they make this differentiation themselves based on their interests (they don't say that Zodiark is a parasite, for instance), so neither "parasite" or "true god" hold any water in this context.

And you're right, we still don't know literally anything about the truth, haha. But it's fun to speculate

I think the fact that we really haven't had Zodiark say something is interesting. But keep in mind Zodiark was banned and can't be a parasite if was expelled already. So yeah while the Ascians may want him restored, it is to what degree?

Are they (rightfully) miffed that not only did Hydaelyn expell him, she shattered the source into different dimensions "for the good of the people"



Keep in mind my viewpoint isn't that Hydaelyn is BAD like some cartoon villain. I think tho in the name of "good" our Primal caused some endgame stuff to start rolling.