Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[RokkuEkkusu]

I was leveling AST in the Aery. 2 people were undergeared I wondered if we were going to complete the dungeon.

First undergeared person was the DRK. Her accessories were i120-i130 and her weapon is i136. The main issue is her left side is all i90 HQ stuff. Her health dropped fast to the point where I heal nearly every time and I barely had time to supplement DPS.

The real undergeared one was the monk. He had the i18 bracelet from the early part of the MSQ, the i44 Buccaneer's Sash from Darkhold, the i42 Harness from Stone Vigil, the i100 pants from Syrcus Tower, and i46 Monk Fists from Darkhold. Needless to say he got knocked out in 2 hits since he didn't dodge most aoes.

The dungeon surpringly went smoothly, but the DRK just had to tank the last boss near Estinien. Estinien barely survived, but the monk and the bard got knocked out at least once. While we won the fight against the last boss with the LB from the monk, I ultimately gave my commendation to the bard for being geared and following mechanics the best.

[DumdogsWorld]

Got Bardam's Mettle via Leveling Roulette. The run went quite well overall, but there were some hiccups.

First, we wiped once to a mob containing a giant eagle thing and a large four-legged reptile-looking monster. I was initially using AOEs on those two monsters and all the lesser trash. When we tried it again, I went single target on the two big guys one at a time, and then AOEd the trash afterwards. That worked.

When we got to the second boss, the other DPS disconnected just as we began the fight. Everybody passed the first trial and third trial with flying colors. The healer and the tank both get chained up for the second trial though, but I passed.

...wait a minute....I PASSED?!?!? That makes zero sense. I'm a dragoon. Falling victim to terrible footing in AOEs is MY JOB!!!!

[Khorchi]

Aery run that looks all too familiar

I don't know how many runs of the 51-60 dungeons I've done in the last few days where someone has been drastically undergeared.
Managed to get a Tank who had a iLvl of about 108 and a BLM with an iLvl of 90 in Aery. The tank had the gall to tell me to keep up my DPS on bosses after one took a little while.
I reply to him by telling the BLM the standard level 50 rotation and to not use Transpose unless you use Flare... which they didn't have on their bar.
I then ask the tank if they have any higher level jewellery in their Armoury chest as the iLvl 5 Weathered Ring isn't really good for iLvl 136 content.
I watch them pause for a few moments and then their health goes up by about 1000 as they have equipped a different ring.

Dungeon was alright from that point, surprisingly.

[Fluffernuff]

First undergeared person was the DRK. Her accessories were i120-i130 and her weapon is i136. The main issue is her left side is all i90 HQ stuff. Her health dropped fast to the point where I heal nearly every time and I barely had time to supplement DPS.

I don't know how many runs of the 51-60 dungeons I've done in the last few days where someone has been drastically undergeared.
Managed to get a Tank who had a iLvl of about 108 and a BLM with an iLvl of 90 in Aery. The tank had the gall to tell me to keep up my DPS on bosses after one took a little while.
I reply to him by telling the BLM the standard level 50 rotation and to not use Transpose unless you use Flare... which they didn't have on their bar.
I then ask the tank if they have any higher level jewellery in their Armoury chest as the iLvl 5 Weathered Ring isn't really good for iLvl 136 content.
I watch them pause for a few moments and then their health goes up by about 1000 as they have equipped a different ring.

While I'm not going to say anything about the runs themselves, just want to chime in that for tanking specifically, accessories dont offer any innate mitgation. It's purely HP. it doesnt drop any faster or slower if you have an ilvl 5 weathered, or a 380 HQ pentameld. it's really total HP is the main issue. and even in Khorchi's case, it was a WHOLE 1,000 HP! WOW!

that small bit of snark aside, being undergeared in a tank's case is generally also indicative of less experience, so that leads to less cooldowns being used and -that- is whats going to eat your tank alive. and that coupled with less health would certainly make for the illusion its purely the gear's fault. and seeing lower ilvl on accessories is like "hold up". but yeah i was mostly chiming in that having awful nigh useless accessories doesnt really impact as much as you think for tanks, since VIT doesnt affect our damage or mitigation. it's not tenacity.

I'm just remembering that in 4.0, the best tanks used level 60 STR rings. On purpose. Ilvl 270. when we had ilvl330 at the time. So.... yeah. Fun times. Heck, even now, we have ilvl 400 stuff and the BiS is 380 HQ. certainly not the highest ilvl, and it doesnt have the best VIT either.

Don't wanna sound or come off as talking down to you guys or anything, I don't know how much you guys have experience in in that regard. Clearly not saying these folks are hidden alts that are the aces in their field, just that if you run into these guys again, active mitigation is worth more than ilvl on their accessories. cant say much for the left side. keep that stuff up to date, y'all

[Seraph522]

Leveling my PLD, load into an in-progress Haukke Manor; only 5 minutes in, so I'm not too worried. No one seems to be super talkative about what happened, so we just get going. Things are moving relatively smoothly, but the AST seems rather impatient - tends to run ahead of me a lot, and pulled early a few times (for reference: we were me on PLD, a sprout DRG, a mentor BLM, and the AST; only the BLM had any form of AoE, so I wasn't bothering with big pulls). Then we cleared the second boss and most of us hit return - the DRG was new, so I let him know in chat to use Return to pop back quickly. While waiting for him, the AST runs upstairs and grabs the Manor Sentry; at this point, I probably should have just let him tank it, but I grabbed it against my better judgment. The mentor BLM rightfully called him out on pulling early, and the AST's response was "u mean why did i pull while u were afk stfu". When I mentioned that we were waiting for the DRG, he argued we could have just killed the add while we were waiting. Still not sure if that's report-worthy or not.

Seriously, people: I get wanting to pull big and move fast, and in other dungeons I would be more than glad to do so. But when you're in a low-level dungeon with few to no AoE options and a new player, please don't be a dick and try to rush things.

[Khorchi]

that small bit of snark aside, being undergeared in a tank's case is generally also indicative of less experience

In the last month or so, every single time I run into undergeared tanks in any piece of content below Level 60, it is always a tank who has every single other class levelled to 70 BUT the tank class they are currently levelling up.

I honestly just wanted to point out the ring since I knew there was a fairly large chance that he probably didn't have anything else to cover his atrocious left side. But that extra 1000 HP really helped when he managed to survive the auto attacks from Nidhogg later on! haha! I am fairly certain some part of his gear was broken.

Also, I definitely cannot disagree with your last line. PUH-LEEEASE... Keep your stuff up to date! Whether its from the MB or dungeon drops, the game is practically forcing better gear down your throat. You would have to go out completely of your way to avoid it.

[Barraind]

The kicker was several of these people dying so many times were mentors, had the "PvE mentor" I'm over here thinking why don't you just not die so many times!

Guess they forgot to turn on their "the only alive healer is awful" aura to prevent the unavoidable AE damage.

While I'm not going to say anything about the runs themselves, just want to chime in that for tanking specifically, accessories dont offer any innate mitgation.

Tank accessories are garbage and generally always have been. They're all but one of the gear slots that ONLY add damage (outside absurd amounts of tenacity) and are almost worthless for that until you hit 60. You get more from melding your gear at those levels than you do from having accessories (especially if its tank accessories) pre SB.

[Wynn_Storm]

I just had one of the worst tanks in a long time.

Felt like playing AST so i queued up for level 70 dungeon roulette.

I get Ala Mhigo, not too bad its a fairly easy dungeon.

Before we begin the tank asks me "Are you okay with big pulls?" I said "Yup i am fine with it."

So the tank proceeds to pull big, DOES NOT POP A DEFENSIVE ONCE dies, then blames me and says "Well i guess we'll have to pull small."

I felt like punting that lalafell.

We go through the ENTIRE dungeon and he NEVER pops a defensive.

All throughout i keep telling him "Pop a defensive." But nope, never uses it once.

And this tank wasn't some sprout he had some scaevan gear mixed with some higher ilvl dungeon gear.

This was by far one of the most frustrating tanks i've had in awhile.

I was in the mood to lightspeed gravity spam, but nope i was stuck babysitting the tank the entire time.

I had to constantly give him bole cards, because it was the closest i could get to him popping a defensive.

Edit : I didn't kick because there is no good option for that type of thing. The options are Afk, offline, cheater, harrassment. I don't think what he did falls under any of those categories so i didn't kick. But i REALLY wanted to.

[Fluffernuff]

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No, I get that much. 1k is a hefty chunk pre-60, and you still need to have enough to live long enough to get a heal in the first place. the less you have, the smaller the margin for error for the healer. my main point was mostly that accessories only really offer HP. and HP alone isnt going to make the tank take less damage. I'd rather have a tank with "BiS" left side and no accessories than vice versa. I dunno- something inside me just screamed "ACCESSORIES AINT THE PROBLEM!" and acted on it.

though, just on that last bit, SB leveling is a little.... wonkier. just assuming the average player i know and on my server doing the average leveling process as a tank starting in sirensong? not wanting to shell out 300k+ gil on gear thats literlly going to be replaced by the end of the day?

It really isnt that hard to end up in doma with 90% augmented shire with the odd dungeon drop if you were lucky. its easier lower down. stuff is cheaper and poetics arent super hard to farm, but 61-67 is a LITTLE rougher on the gear. not too much if youre not super lazy, but its not as braindead as most will claim. i recommend most tanks pre-farm doma if they dont plan on stopping. odd pickups arent going to be enough for abania.

[HyoMinPark]

I’ve been hearing of a lot of instances from my friends of WHMs spamming Cure I in places like Bardam’s Mettle and Doma Castle, and then getting mad at the tanks when they die due to lack of healing. Friend told me they kicked one WHM for this in Bardam’s only to get another healer that literally did the same thing. Why is it so difficult to understand that Cure I is not effective at this level?

Anyone else experiencing this?