New DRK is awful. Here’s why and what could be done about it.

[Liyonn]

Honestly these are the best suggestions I've read on here thus far. Square Enix, Yoshi P, DRK Job Design Team, look at what OP is proposing. Honestly if a random guy on the internet could design a job better than your dedicated team then you've done something very wrong, SE. The current 5.0 design of DRK is sloppy and amateurish. It reeks of lazy design and shows a lack of polish and care from the design team. I'm calling you out, SE, sorry not sorry. It's always been obvious none of the design team mains a dark knight and it's even more obvious now.

I agree with pretty much every single point made. The only thing I disagree with is the decreased potencies on the edge/flood skills but that's just because they cost MP and shouldn't be THAT outdone by the suggested new Carve and Spit. MP shouldn't have a perfect cost-to-potency ratio across the board but closing that gap would be beneficial for lower skilled players.

[aqskerorokero]

Brah, do you see Fray? What kind of identity you want more

[gman1311]

Brah, do you see Fray? What kind of identity you want more

Pretty much

[Nedkel]

There are soooo many flaws in OP design, and he is not taking into account the different potency scaling into the damage that is coming in 5.0.
Its a complete mess, mutant created on current DRK with few skills replaced here and there that has been nerfed to the ground turning them into second dark passenger, i could see people complaining about it on this forum if SE decided to do exactly that, why are their key skills so weak and useless, when warrior and PLD got so much powerful stuff. lol

I have better idea.
Wait for 5.0 patch and see if you like new DRK maybe? Instead of complaining on forum at job that was played only by devs at lvl 80.

[WhyAmIHere]

Brah, do you see Fray? What kind of identity you want more

one that isn't bound to a 2min recast, non-interactive with the rest of the toolkit as a whole, and "this one skill is all you do" class design.
PLD is more than Passage. WAR is more than FC. NIN is more than TA. SCH is more than chain. ETC ETC ETC.

[shao32]

There are soooo many flaws in OP design, and he is not taking into account the different potency scaling into the damage that is coming in 5.0.
Its a complete mess, mutant created on current DRK with few skills replaced here and there that has been nerfed to the ground turning them into second dark passenger, i could see people complaining about it on this forum if SE decided to do exactly that, why are their key skills so weak and useless, when warrior and PLD got so much powerful stuff. lol

I have better idea.
Wait for 5.0 patch and see if you like new DRK maybe? Instead of complaining on forum at job that was played only by devs at lvl 80.

and still 22 persons like it and find it more fun that the 5.0 version.

[Izsha]

I wont comment much on the rework as drk being fun is pretty subjective.

But i did want to be a little more fair too our Frey pet friend. There have been countless requests to bring back a specific dot that had no interaction woth the kit just because it looked cool. Frey is a powerful dot that looks way cooler than scourge ever did. No need to crap on a 'stupid dot' when 'bring back scourge!' has been a consistent rally cry for 2 years. Lets not hold our buddy Frey to a double standard. Hes beats the snot outta scourge and scourge has been missed.

[ReiMakoto]

There are soooo many flaws in OP design, and he is not taking into account the different potency scaling into the damage that is coming in 5.0.
Its a complete mess, mutant created on current DRK with few skills replaced here and there that has been nerfed to the ground turning them into second dark passenger, i could see people complaining about it on this forum if SE decided to do exactly that, why are their key skills so weak and useless, when warrior and PLD got so much powerful stuff. lol

I have better idea.
Wait for 5.0 patch and see if you like new DRK maybe? Instead of complaining on forum at job that was played only by devs at lvl 80.

You go into all the DRK threads and say the same thing "Wait till its out", when even if all the potencies are up in the air and there are minor changes to come, we know the broad strokes of how DRK will play, you don't need to play the class itself to see how it fits together, and a lot seem to be saying they won't like the new DRK. Also the community seems to be quite good at seeing the problems with stuff before its released, like in stormblood we called all the issues with jobs before they were out, and there was a "Wait and see" crowd then, we waited and saw, OMG we were right who would have guessed.

[Nedkel]

and still 22 persons like it and find it more fun that the 5.0 version.

22 people on a over 2 million playerbase.

You go into all the DRK threads and say the same thing "Wait till its out", when even if all the potencies are up in the air and there are minor changes to come, we know the broad strokes of how DRK will play, you don't need to play the class itself to see how it fits together, and a lot seem to be saying they won't like the new DRK. Also the community seems to be quite good at seeing the problems with stuff before its released, like in stormblood we called all the issues with jobs before they were out, and there was a "Wait and see" crowd then, we waited and saw, OMG we were right who would have guessed.

I remember when 4.2 or earlier patch came out reworking warrior, people were bragging about how bad he will be and that he will have lower dps than he already had and that SE destroyed warrior completely. It has turned out to be a really big success, everyone complaining were wrong wrong wrong.

[WhyAmIHere]

I wont comment much on the rework as drk being fun is pretty subjective.

But i did want to be a little more fair too our Frey pet friend. There have been countless requests to bring back a specific dot that had no interaction woth the kit just because it looked cool. Frey is a powerful dot that looks way cooler than scourge ever did. No need to crap on a 'stupid dot' when 'bring back scourge!' has been a consistent rally cry for 2 years. Lets not hold our buddy Frey to a double standard. Hes beats the snot outta scourge and scourge has been missed.

Scourge had 100% uptime ideally, or as close to that as possible.
Frey comes out every 2 minutes for ~17s.
I'd not even consider them comparable at that metric, the whole "but they DoTs!" isnt a fair comparison. Similar? yes. But nowhere in the same league.

22 people on a over 2 million playerbase.

Wow. and how few of that 22 million look at the official forums? of that fraction, how small a number views the tank forums?