Going to the same route as WoW. The game is TOO easy

[Hitori]

A few things A: I'm not a WoW player, though I did play Vanilla and TBC, if people bothered to actually read the OP they would see that.

I'm sorry some people's feelings seem to be hurt via my opinions, but there are plenty of people who want more challenge in the day to day mechanics of the game. No one bothered to refute my point of sitting in the city and waiting in line for something to do.

Don't be mad, I'm not saying the game isn't fun, I am saying it could be MORE fun if there was MORE challenge.

Yes there is SOME challenge art the very tip of the game, but the other 90% requires little to no communication and thus builds little to no community.

I guess if this is your first MMO you wouldn't understand.

[Ronduwil]

A few things A: I'm not a WoW player, though I did play Vanilla and TBC, if people bothered to actually read the OP they would see that.

If you're not a WoW player, how can you claim that WoW is too easy now? Maybe you should change the thread's title? If you don't play WoW, then you have no way of knowing whether the game's current trajectory is the same as WoW's.

[Zeonx]

If you're not a WoW player, how can you claim that WoW is too easy now? Maybe you should change the thread's title? If you don't play WoW, then you have no way of knowing whether the game's current trajectory is the same as WoW's.

I am played WoW for years, the only thing that made wow hard was factions trying to murder you, if you were the right level and had gear nothing can beat you in WoW when you fight other players that was real challenge cause they would run get their alliance members to come back and fight you if you camped their soul.

depending on if you chose the right server one with pvp in it and easy mode pve

I thought about going back but I don't have a PC I used to but it fried and I am saving for a new one.

I heard about the going back to the past stuff they've been talking about so i am kinda interested.

[Reeereee]

there are plenty of people who want more challenge in the day to day mechanics of the game. No one bothered to refute my point of sitting in the city and waiting in line for something to do.

You entire point was predicated on classic hype. Come back three months after classic is out and we can talk about how many people want that.

[Hitori]

You entire point was predicated on classic hype. Come back three months after classic is out and we can talk about how many people want that.

If you don't think Classic is going to be huge success, you're not very aware.

[Reeereee]

If you don't think Classic is going to be huge success, you're not very aware.

Even bad MMOs like Wildstar generate large amounts of unrealistic hype before they're released. The hype for classic is no more realistic than the hype for SWTOR, only this time people should know better because it already released once in 2004.

Again, come back three months after it's released and we'll talk then.

[galbsadi]

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Hi there. I didn't play WoW in the original classic, but I did play in BC, and Wrath, and Cata, and MoP, and a bit of WoD, and Legion, and even a bit of BFA (or, short version: I've played literally every expansion that game has to offer). The problem with the latest expansion has nothing to do with difficulty...RNGforAzeroth isn't any easier or harder than Legion was, and Legion was awesome. It's not really any easier or harder than MoP was, and MoP wasn't bad. it's slightly easier than Cata was, and Cata sucked. It's slightly easier than Wrath was, and Wrath was awesome. It's slightly easier than BC was, and BC wasn't bad. So, it's not a difficulty thing...more of a "everything is RNG" now thing...the only way it'd be worse is if it had an actual cash shop for your daily loot boxes. (For people who've only played FFXIV, the problem with WoW nowadays is that it's Eureka. [Yes, it's THAT bad.]).

Classic might be mildly successful, and I would be surprised to see it completely flop...because there's going to at least be a nostalgia effect for some people and others will want to see things they might have missed (such as 40m Naxx). However, I would be just as surprised to see it be a 'huge success.' If that was to be the case, the private servers that have been up for over a decade (and don't require a $15/mo sub to play) would have been far more active than they were when I visited them.

Now, as to your original complaint...this game isn't really easier or harder than WoW's been at any point, at least at the base level. (Note: while I say this as a player with very little Savage experience in FFXIV, I also say it as a player with extensive raid experience in WoW (in multiple expansions), ESO, and SWTOR.) Remember that in WoW people literally rely on applets (DBM, OmniCC, GTFO, WeakAuras, etc.) in order to play content above the base level...and content at the base level is about on par with FFXIV base level content (i.e. dungeons are about the same difficulty [although in WoW it's more focus on healing and FFXIV it's more focus on Healer DPS], 24m are about the same difficulty as LFR [up to and including that in many cases you could practically AFK through it], 8m normal raids are about on par with normal raids in WoW (i.e. not hard), and the challenge primarily exists in areas that most people don't do (like Savage/Ultimate in FFXIV and early-tier Heroic and Mythic raids in WoW). SWTOR is the same way. GW2...same way. TERA was the same way (when it was good). TSW was the same way...that's how MMOs work, it's how they've always worked, and it's likely how they'll continue to work into the foreseeable future.

If it's not your thing, I get that...and you can either not focus on that content or find something else that you will enjoy....but let's not try and ruin a formula that clearly works just because there are things that appeal to more casual players.

[Melichoir]

If you don't think Classic is going to be huge success, you're not very aware.

While Im sure classic will be fun and draw certain crowds, you should be also taking it with a grain of salt due to two very big factors.

1) People are broadly dissatisfied with the current state of WoW. It doesnt live up to their expectations or interests. So anything that isnt the current state of wow will get boosted. This includes classic.
2) People are nostalgic for those halcyon days of their youths when they played classic WoW. This usually means people dont remember or downplay the bad parts of Vanilla WoW. They have rose tinted glasses on.

Im sure classic will be successful, atleast at first. But I have trouble seeing it 'smash' everything. Afterall, all Classic is is a repackaged version of Vanilla. Nothing 'new' will be brought to the table. And while it will be fun, people will reach it's end game and thatll be it. There is no where for it to go. And if people are looking at it wtih Rose Tinted specs, then theyll hit their satisfaction faster than someone whos playing through it new.

[Insertcoins]

A few things A: I'm not a WoW player, though I did play Vanilla and TBC, if people bothered to actually read the OP they would see that.

I'm sorry some people's feelings seem to be hurt via my opinions, but there are plenty of people who want more challenge in the day to day mechanics of the game. No one bothered to refute my point of sitting in the city and waiting in line for something to do.

Don't be mad, I'm not saying the game isn't fun, I am saying it could be MORE fun if there was MORE challenge.

Yes there is SOME challenge art the very tip of the game, but the other 90% requires little to no communication and thus builds little to no community.

I guess if this is your first MMO you wouldn't understand.

I'd relax on the insult D: As from what I've seen noone is hurt by your opinion.. Alot of people disagree with it... but thats not hurt. That's just a different side of the coin. The reason I asked if you did anything higher or read the dutyfinder thread was making normal dungeons harder wouldn't do anything. Rath is one of the hardest fights in the game that's not UwU and hardly anyone does it. I LOVE that fight, I love the fact you ONLY get 3 lives, but most of the people in this game don't and it's kindof dead content. Just like those harder dungeons you want will be dead cause noone REALLY wants harder content. I believe the peole that ASK for it don't really want hard content... they just want content to be gated from everyone else. And like it or not.. noone is going to take your request seriously unless you got both ultimate fights cleared, ALL of avs cleared on all characters and perform at the highest level. Thats just the way it is cause otherwise if all you done is the 24 man and you're asking for harder content..and haven't cleared what we have.. ye---ah. :C

[Nyvara]

A few things A: I'm not a WoW player, though I did play Vanilla and TBC, if people bothered to actually read the OP they would see that.

I'm sorry some people's feelings seem to be hurt via my opinions, but there are plenty of people who want more challenge in the day to day mechanics of the game. No one bothered to refute my point of sitting in the city and waiting in line for something to do.

Don't be mad, I'm not saying the game isn't fun, I am saying it could be MORE fun if there was MORE challenge.

Yes there is SOME challenge art the very tip of the game, but the other 90% requires little to no communication and thus builds little to no community.

I guess if this is your first MMO you wouldn't understand.

OK so we are talking age. I played EQ when I was 20 yrs old. that was back in 99 it was a brand new game for reference and what got me hooked on MMOs since then I have played I don't even know how many cuse now I'm old. In ALL that time in my experience very seldom was there any communication with anyone other than guild mates and RL friends.

As to waiting in line. Well that's normal even back in the stone age of MMOs you had to wait. wait for someone to need your class wait for guild mates to come on line wait for help to finish your epic. MMOs are about waiting and grinding.

Reading the replies no one is mad or hurt they are expressing opinions that are counter to yours. I get the impression you felt your OP would be unpopular, Don't be shocked if it was.