Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[KaleShibata]

WTH is with all these new people who are so aggressive and rude? I usually try to be helpful in trials and such, because there have been so many brand new people lately, so I call out mechanics as they happen, and every other one I get this one person who is completely new who takes offense at being told what to do because they watched a guide. Pretty sure my experience running this trial 50 thousand times is more accurate than your misunderstanding of a youtube video. And then the whole party wipes twice to their ridiculous mistakes, because they are so confident in their "abilities." What is this called.... dunning kruger effect?

I mean sure, I'm not saying everything in saccharine overtones, since I'm typing the instructions as I am doing the mechanics, I don't have time to say more than "watch his arms for which side he hits"... If I have to use Healer LB3 twice in Seiryu normal, something is wrong.

I only watch guides if i feel like me learning how you're supposed to isn't good enough and I'm exceptional at context about half the time. just explain it. it takes like a minute and a good pull at most should take maybe 5-10 minutes if everyone's playing cautious in trials. (obviously you want that to be lower beyond normal because of soft/hard enrage mechanics.)

to me watching a guide is pointless because once you get in the thick of things its easier to learn by doing. just knowing what you'll see can be explained by a party willing to speak instead of mindlessly farm something with no consideration of anyone there. its also a good way to see if THEY KNOW WHAT TO DO. don't just quote watch a guide because some of them are meta balanced only (as in everyone will tell you what calls 'shouldn't run it' instead of how to adapt or adjust.) Edit: I'm not saying its pointless to be informed, but what exactly is knowing when something is gonna go off gonna do you when you're not the classes they use? guides miss this frequently the ones i seen. learn the attacks, learn what they do. but it spoils that first run experience to me.

To date, the only wipes I've had getting to 70 (staying in more casual content) comes from disorganization (makes me very uynwilling to run any 8-24 man higher than baseline), and people just not wanting to flex what their class can do/ what they can do/ positioning/ not knowing basic fallbacks. cuz I figure all I'll earn in DF is a headache. not experience. I just like running in there and learning casually. it sticks with me way longer, and i get to laugh for once in this game and you know feel accomplished when I get to the end. but almost no raiders I've seen seem to approach it like that anymore.

[Nedkel]

Yay. c:

Uh oh. Everyone knows the secret that tanking is easy.

In all seriousness, there is nuance, but it's all fundamentals. Like I said earlier, timing Flash and compensating for lag. Grouping up enemies. Dodging AoEs without moving around too much.

Holding aggro in Sword Oath.

Incidentally, the guy who told me to Flash more was right (before entering Sword Oath -- don't worry, the healer is my close friend.) But there's more to it than that. You have to make sure you Flash the appropriate number of times and everything is actually in the Flash AoE, which can be awkward with how weird enemy movement can be.

This is the fun and challenging part of tanking.

Only one DPS has suffered from my ineptitude so far (sorry! You were right!) It was the guy I lost aggro on earlier in this thread and everyone kind of blasted him. It still felt like he was being an unhelpful jerk about it, and he didn't use Lucid for some reason, but "Flash more" was still true, even if it was so nondescript that it was useless as advice, at least in the moment.

Whats the point then to use sword oath, when you have to spam flash in order to establish aggro? When you could just aoe all the time dealing damage in shield oath and not care about aggro being a problem.
You dont deal damage with flash, your healer has less opportunity to throw few AOEs here and there since he has to heal you more.
I cant understand.

[Lynesse]

Whats the point then to use sword oath, when you have to spam flash in order to establish aggro? When you could just aoe all the time dealing damage in shield oath and not care about aggro being a problem.
You dont deal damage with flash, your healer has less opportunity to throw few AOEs here and there since he has to heal you more.
I cant understand.

Well, some of what I say is tongue-in-cheek and shouldn't be taken all too seriously. Under normal circumstances, you're right.

You also should never Sword Oath in a pug during trash pulls.

EXR's are a bit of an odd cookie. It's very easy (this is a lie -- it's actually hard on all of us, but it does go faster, so we acknowledge its effectiveness and try to adapt) for my healer friends (especially my WHM) to DPS and keep me alive at the same time. I lose one GCD to an extra Flash (occasionally two GCDs if my Flash misses something), which is more than made up for by the 15% extra damage from not being in Shield Oath.

For my AST friend, he ends up bottlenecked by MP because Gravity is a real hog. With Hallowed Ground and the right CD management, he can get the full Gravity spam under Lightspeed without me having much of an issue. Earthly Star can be activated during that time without even having to target me. We're still working toward getting this down, but that's the ideal scenario.

Currently, nothing ever really goes wrong in our runs, and our runs are fast.

That said, we're all still pretty new, and we do this at my behest because I want to push myself. So, my friends are very loving and respectful of my nonsense. We never really talked about it, but I think we all like pushing ourselves.

[Hash_Browns]

Just had the greatest run in The Labyrinth of the Ancients. (farming tomestones)

A healer got mad that I went on the pad instead of them, and couldn't pull aggro - then they argued that the mechanics were not important.
During the final boss of the area a tank got into an argument with a summoner because during King Behe a tank kept cleaving our summoner with the Iron Giant add, and when told to stop aiming it at him & cleaving the group, the tank then told them they should move.

Good times.

Don't know what planet the tank learned that aiming adds at people and expecting them to move was an alright thing, but oh well.

[Nedkel]

Well, some of what I say is tongue-in-cheek and shouldn't be taken all too seriously. Under normal circumstances, you're right.

You also should never Sword Oath in a pug during trash pulls.

EXR's are a bit of an odd cookie. It's very easy (this is a lie -- it's actually hard on all of us, but it does go faster, so we acknowledge its effectiveness and try to adapt) for my healer friends (especially my WHM) to DPS and keep me alive at the same time. I lose one GCD to an extra Flash (occasionally two GCDs if my Flash misses something), which is more than made up for by the 15% extra damage from not being in Shield Oath.

For my AST friend, he ends up bottlenecked by MP because Gravity is a real hog. With Hallowed Ground and the right CD management, he can get the full Gravity spam under Lightspeed without me having much of an issue. Earthly Star can be activated during that time without even having to target me. We're still working toward getting this down, but that's the ideal scenario.

Currently, nothing ever really goes wrong in our runs, and our runs are fast.

That said, we're all still pretty new, and we do this at my behest because I want to push myself. So, my friends are very loving and respectful of my nonsense. We never really talked about it, but I think we all like pushing ourselves.

I know DRK and War going to offensive stance, but PLD seems weird for me.
You are right, it wont be possible with pugs, there are some DPS that are making absurd amount of damage and it would be pretty impossible to hold aggro with them, well Total Eclipse deals only 110 potency and its the only aoe we have on PLD on par with circle of scorn, because of it PLD deals lowest damage out of all jobs in dungeons.

[Lynesse]

I know DRK and War going to offensive stance, but PLD seems weird for me.
You are right, it wont be possible with pugs, there are some DPS that are making absurd amount of damage and it would be pretty impossible to hold aggro with them, well Total Eclipse deals only 110 potency and its the only aoe we have on PLD on par with circle of scorn, because of it PLD deals lowest damage out of all jobs in dungeons.

PLD is risky. Like, really risky. Especially considering I'm far from BiS, doing this in Alliance i375 left side.

I do it because I saw one of my tanking idols -- he's on this forum -- it's Aodhan O'finnegain -- do it. I thought, "No way is this possible... can I try it, guys?"

It's all about resources. Total Eclipse and Holy Spirit cost a lot of TP/MP. So, if I use an extra Flash or two, it doesn't matter because I'll still empty those bars by the end of the pull. For min-maxing purposes, I just have to make sure Total Eclipse hits the maximum number of enemies and nothing dies before I start spamming it. Nothing should die in that amount of time. ^^

The same largely goes for AST. But if an AST depletes his MP trying to make up the damage deficit, it's a wash.

[Aosha]

Today I was the DF story!
Had to equip my Anima weapon to talk to an NPC before I went into EX roulette, and forgot it on. My party noticed it right before the last boss. Laughs were had.
No problems all run through, but wow I felt dumb! XD

[AxHell]

Did lvl roulette with my MNK and the run was smooth...except for the WHM who enjoyed talking about porn and hentais like Lord of the Rings (wut) a bit too much...

Please don't do that (that said they stopped when I told them it was making things uncomfortable.)

[Noitems]

Oh man lemme tell you about last night.

It's about 11 PM EST, I've had about 8 spiked seltzer waters and I'm coming off leading a game of shatter in frontlines to a win so I'm in a absolutely joyful mood.

I head into mentor rou as a tank and get a party in progress of 30 min. It turns out to be O10 and with 40 min left on the clock I can assume there were a ton of wipes.

I start main tanking and there's this ast that keeps dying. Meanwhile some of the dps are talking about how they're getting burned by mechanics and I am here having a drunken fit to myself over 4 wipes to avoidable things.

I do understand if people are new trust me I was as well, but if the drunk lala main tanking the boss is avoiding aoes and heading to stack markers I expect everyone else to at least understand this by the fourth wipe.

My love and praise goes out to the WHM in our group who understood everything, managed all the mechs fine, and was an absolute gem to be with. I legit used tank LB3 on failed stacks just to make sure they specifically stayed alive. So much so that I told everyone to comm them specifically and not me. Just because they knew what they were doing and salvaged the run.

I left and still got one com and I was really angry, lmao.

[Nedkel]

Yesterday at the Hells dungeon I accidentally missclicked my shirk macro button, healer died in 1 second, we wiped, i got kicked.

#Feelsbadman