Suggestion: Close Raid Roulete Loophole (Using low ilevel to force low level raids)

[Reeereee]

What's the issue? I do it all the time to stay in LotA, ST or WoD.

Best I can tell is that they're salty about how long it takes to farm the lvl 60 Alliance raid glamours.

[Driavna]

What's the issue? I do it all the time to stay in LotA, ST or WoD.

The idea behind the roulette is to help others to do certain alliance raids. By lowering your real ILvL, in a way, you are preventing the system to work as intended. I won't be surprised if at some point SE will enforce a minimum ILvL based on your level.

[Doozer]

Question: I've seen someone do this just now after arriving in Syrcus Tower (I saw someone in what looked like level 1 glamour items but after loading into the next area they were kitted out in full armour), so I have to ask: Is this a reportable action?

[HyoMinPark]

The idea behind the roulette is to help others to do certain alliance raids. By lowering your real ILvL, in a way, you are preventing the system to work as intended. I won't be surprised if at some point SE will enforce a minimum ILvL based on your level.

I'd honestly welcome an enforced item level based on your level. It was a nightmare trying to get my alt through the Mhach raids when she reached that point. I spent roughly 40 minutes in queue for each during peak hours (and this was before the Moogle Tomestone event). Same for my friend when he did them on his alt. It was incredibly boring just having to wait around.

[Catwho]

I did this for one reason only - to farm light. I'm picking my way through the old relics and the anima weapons, as sort of a between patch project. If I want to farm light, farm poetics, and also farm the current tome set at the same time, dropping my iLvl to just below the 70 raids was the most effective way of doing all three at once. (There are more effective ways of farming light. There are more effective ways of farming poetics. There are certainly more effective ways of farming Genesis. But there isn't really any other method that farms all three quite so effectively at the same time.)

I don't care which of the three 50s or 60s that I get into, but until they add light farming for the anima and relics to ALL duty roulettes, regardless of what level the duty itself is, this is the reason some folks are going to do it.

[Enla]

Question: I've seen someone do this just now after arriving in Syrcus Tower (I saw someone in what looked like level 1 glamour items but after loading into the next area they were kitted out in full armour), so I have to ask: Is this a reportable action?

Why would it be? So long as they met the ilvl requirement to get in, they're fine. It's annoying for people who want to farm out of progression raids for gear but not reportable, especially since you can equip normal gear inside the instance now.

That said I'm 100% on board with forcing people into whatever raid they get at this point so long as it's been unlocked and you're at the appropriate level. With the only exception being the current raid tier of whatever expansion is going on, as I can see people low ilvling the content just to troll. Trying to get through some of these on an alt is a nightmare due to the wait times.

[Doozer]

Why would it be? So long as they met the ilvl requirement to get in, they're fine. It's annoying for people who want to farm out of progression raids for gear but not reportable, especially since you can equip normal gear inside the instance now.

That said I'm 100% on board with forcing people into whatever raid they get at this point so long as it's been unlocked and you're at the appropriate level. With the only exception being the current raid tier of whatever expansion is going on, as I can see people low ilvling the content just to troll. Trying to get through some of these on an alt is a nightmare due to the wait times.

I heard that things like disconnecting to skip cutscenes in MSQ dungeons fall under "Misuse of flaws", which is:

"Misuse of flaws" refers to the deliberate exploitation of a fault in Final Fantasy XIV, or manipulating a feature of Final Fantasy XIV so that it does not function as intended, in order to obtain personal gain or cause disadvantage to someone else.

And after hearing that, deliberately lowering your ilevel in order to get into certain content (manipulating a feature of Final Fantasy XIV) that's generally considered easier and quicker when queuing up for a roulette (in order to obtain personal gain) seems along those lines.

[HyoMinPark]

I did this for one reason only - to farm light. I'm picking my way through the old relics and the anima weapons, as sort of a between patch project. If I want to farm light, farm poetics, and also farm the current tome set at the same time, dropping my iLvl to just below the 70 raids was the most effective way of doing all three at once. (There are more effective ways of farming light. There are more effective ways of farming poetics. There are certainly more effective ways of farming Genesis. But there isn't really any other method that farms all three quite so effectively at the same time.)

I don't care which of the three 50s or 60s that I get into, but until they add light farming for the anima and relics to ALL duty roulettes, regardless of what level the duty itself is, this is the reason some folks are going to do it.

Unrelated, but if you want Light for Anima relics, you can unsync Brayflox HM for it. Quick and easy Light that doesn’t rely on getting parties together for things like A1S or A9S.

[Enla]

I heard that things like disconnecting to skip cutscenes in MSQ dungeons fall under "Misuse of flaws", which is:



And after hearing that, deliberately lowering your ilevel in order to get into certain content (manipulating a feature of Final Fantasy XIV) that's generally considered easier and quicker when queuing up for a roulette (in order to obtain personal gain) seems along those lines.

The reason that's reportable is because you're hurting the immersion of new players and bypassing their cutscenes via an exploit. SE prides itself on trying to allow people to enjoy the MSQ dungeons on their first run without being harried forward by impatient veterans, which is why the disconnect to skip is so frowned upon by them. While everyone else is watching the cutscenes you're off killing the boss. Worse still if they didn't have a rule in place to make it reportable the person who disconnected could easily harass other players into joining in on their shenanigans and kick anyone who doesn't follow suit. It's a WHOLE 'nother kettle of fish with far different issues at play.

Alliance Roulette on the other hand doesn't require work-around exploits to toy with, nor has SE come out and condemned it either. The coding has it so that so long as you meet the ilvl requirements for one, that'll be the one you get sent to. Now if SE did make the proposed changes people are asking for in this thread and put specific lines of code to stop people from manipulating the instance selection process and people still found a way to get around the matter then it would be reportable.

[Theodric]

Question: I've seen someone do this just now after arriving in Syrcus Tower (I saw someone in what looked like level 1 glamour items but after loading into the next area they were kitted out in full armour), so I have to ask: Is this a reportable action?

I guess so. You'd probably have to ask yourself if it's worth bringing misery to another player by risking them getting banned, though. It could be an innocent mistake on their part. I accidentally queued for a roulette once after messing around with glamour and forgot to reequip everything.