We are in need of a official response to the healer situation

[Shurrikhan]

I never said I was in favour of the way cards have been reworked, quite the opposite.
But from a practical standpoint, AST DPS hasn't taken a hit, and APM hasn't changed too drastically.
So this whole "healers will have nothing to do, SE thinks healers should just heal" idea is nonsense.
We're not doing less things besides healing, we're just doing different, perhaps less interesting things.

While others have put this in quote marks several times, that's rarely if ever seemed to have been the actual sentiment.

More often the sentiment is more closely that healing is already underwhelming, making each further blow -- however small it may be -- disproportionate painful, since we know that what is taken in terms of complexity or depth is not likely ever to be given back and there has only ever been one direction to these style of changes.
It's been a matter of expecting expansion, not hollowing, from our expansions and being reasonably displeased when we see at least as much of the latter as the prior. And I don't see what's at all unreasonable about that.

[Feidam]

Also forums: Heavensward lessons + Stormblood lessons = logical Shadowbringers conclusions based on the data provided.



And the outside of the carton shows the expiration date (i.e. the pre-patch notes we've gotten), for this example 8 months expired.

As I said above, it's ok to make logical conclusions based on provided data.

Lesson that are quite frankly ignoring recent interviews from Yoshida. Interviews that state they wanted healers to do more healing than what has been transpiring in the game. Which if they actually achieved this then the changes make sense. Only time will tell as we have yet to play the content. The only proof we have right now are the media videos of healers letting players die a lot as they cast dps spells. Which could indicate that there is more damage floating about the dungeons. We won’t know until we try it.

I get the feeling of loss. I love casting dot classes and my summoner has changed a ton from being dot centric and now my scholar too. It sucks, but it also doesn’t mean the changes are not fun. We have to wait and see.

Furthermore, we already know they will not listen to the feedback until the playerbase tries the content. That has been their m.o. from the start.

[Deceptus]

Interviews that state they wanted healers to do more healing than what has been transpiring in the game. Which if they actually achieved this then the changes make sense. Only time will tell as we have yet to play the content. .

Except they haven't. The two data points we have, the lvl 73 dungeon and the Titania trial after show us that the "more healing" goal they're trying to achieve isn't happening. Players are healing in similar fashion to what's live currently.

If anything, the Titania trial shows us that the DPS check is too much which would be helped by the healers doing more damage. Damage that was taken away from us.

Regarding your comment on "fun"

It sucks, but it also doesn’t mean the changes are not fun.

One 30 second dot and one filler spell until mob is dead (two total damage buttons) from level 2 to level 80 is not my definition of "fun".

[Jollyy5]

The problem seems to be that the class developer team of four people quite obviously only have a vague idea about how healers work in theory, and they made healer changes for ShB based on that.

Most healers are upset by these changes, because they know the changes are awful, based on the fact that they have intimate knowledge on how healing works in practice in all content.

[LariaKirin]

Most healers are upset by these changes, because they know the changes are awful, based on the fact that they have intimate knowledge on how healing works in practice in all content.

All content, except the content that the developer team is designing right now.

[reyre]

All content, except the content that the developer team is designing right now.

That is very true, but what about the rest of the content? how will it impact there? since the mayority of the content is not the expac

[Jollyy5]

All content, except the content that the developer team is designing right now.

That's a poor strawman and you know it.

If healing is pure agony in all casual content you do daily, and only fun in latest Savage/EX/Ultimate that you do a few times a week, it's bad design.

[Mimilu]

All content, except the content that the developer team is designing right now.

Content that they have present at two separate occasions (Media tour and E3) and veteran healers have said weren't different from what we have now. >w>

[kidalutz]

A lot of us have enough experience playing and theorycrafting to know how the changes will affect us. You don't have to be a genius to see that ruin II is only good for double weaving. Or to put the number of weaving opportunities up against the number of weaves to see that your new gameplay is going to have a lot of clipping. Hell in the case of SCH if you want to know what healing downtime play is going to be like you don't even have to wait or even guess, you can grab a WHM right now and test it for yourself.
Not to mention E3 has allowed some to test the changes.

The whole "wait until ShB comes out to complain" followed by "wait until you're 80", then "wait until the raid tier comes out" etc.. was already done to death during SB and here we are 2 years later with broken lilies on WHM..... If anything we didn't complain enough, clearly.

No, your complaints were just that for the most part complaints. Only a small handful of people provided meaningful feedback which got lost amidst the THIS SUCKS FIX IT rants of everyone else. The rest just did what the current group of people are doing now. Make fifty different threads all Complaining like children that their toy is broken and demanding a replacement post haste. To use the words of one of your own "Get rid of that sense of entitlement."

It's pretty cut and dry you either are going to heal because you love healing or you're not because you want it to be more "exciting" If the former keep healing and adapt to the changes if the latter then by all means quit healing and move onto something different. But whatever you all decide just do it and stop whinging every 6 hours.

P.S. I fully expect to banned for this post but seriously at this point it's probably a good thing I've never seen a more trite,self entitled, and jaded group of people than the Healers on this forum who can't even be bothered to put intelligible feedback in once they have ALL THE DATA.

[LariaKirin]

That is very true, but what about the rest of the content? how will it impact there? since the mayority of the content is not the expac

The same way Stormblood impacted Heavensward content. I do not see 100 posts a day saying that Alexander Normal is too easy/boring right now.