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  1. #11
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    But if EX/savage content being busy with healing makes up for lack of it in anything prior to that then it's also fine if healers wont be busy in 11 savage raids, they will be in 12th one and that will make all of it totally fine? No we def have to wait for entire ShB content!
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    Quote Originally Posted by xxvaynxx View Post
    Don't be a smartass.

    I don't like when people say wait until you try it as well but it has some merit.
    This is a lv73 boss which was also very toned down from what yoshi-p said, ofc its not gonna be hard or healing intense.

    I say wait until savage or at least ex primals because at least they'll have some heavy hitting aoe's and among other stuff that might keep healers busy.

    That's still boring just as the other healers.
    Bc how our skills work there is more to it then just placing dots down and then spamming 1 1 1 1 1. We had to make choices on how to cover damage tank was taking through fairy, there buffs, or aether stacks that were weaved in between the 1 1 1 1 1. Which is by far more engaging that whm dps. Ast at least you have cards to mess around with.

    That being said, I am extremely against waiting til extreme/savage. You shouldn't have to wait until then to have a class come to life and be fun. I will pass judgement at 80 if not sooner. In the end, majority of content is not high end. And dear lord if I gotta go from 30 to 80 as a sch, I'd switch to smn and that would be that. But its not just the dps aspect, its being locked in with no way to spend aether stacks unless healing. I hate to say it, but this is the sb lily system all over again. You either gonna overheal to get ride of stacks or just hit aetherflow to get mana. That sucks.
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  3. #13
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anselmet View Post
    You either gonna overheal to get ride of stacks or just hit aetherflow to get mana. That sucks.
    I mean, you are going to be dumping stacks just to fill the faery guage.
    Gotta waste those aetherflow heals to unlock other heals, that makes sense.
    Over all, yeah, just as well thought out as the SB lily gauge.
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  4. #14
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    Quote Originally Posted by AikenDrum View Post
    But if EX/savage content being busy with healing makes up for lack of it in anything prior to that then it's also fine if healers wont be busy in 11 savage raids, they will be in 12th one and that will make all of it totally fine? No we def have to wait for entire ShB content!
    Well you look like you don't even raid so like... unless this an alt, how would you know if it'll take that long?
    You haven't did any of SB Savage to know how hard healing will be to "you" not others.

    Quote Originally Posted by Anselmet View Post
    Bc how our skills work there is more to it then just placing dots down and then spamming 1 1 1 1 1. We had to make choices on how to cover damage tank was taking through fairy, there buffs, or aether stacks that were weaved in between the 1 1 1 1 1. Which is by far more engaging that whm dps. Ast at least you have cards to mess around with.

    That being said, I am extremely against waiting til extreme/savage. You shouldn't have to wait until then to have a class come to life and be fun. I will pass judgement at 80 if not sooner. In the end, majority of content is not high end. And dear lord if I gotta go from 30 to 80 as a sch, I'd switch to smn and that would be that. But its not just the dps aspect, its being locked in with no way to spend aether stacks unless healing. I hate to say it, but this is the sb lily system all over again. You either gonna overheal to get ride of stacks or just hit aetherflow to get mana. That sucks.
    Maybe. I won't argue with what you find fun with sch.
    I want to say I'm not trying to diss any scholars upset with the changes, but just from my PoV it just doesn't seem that big of a deal when your core rotation was mostly 1.1.1.1 with weaving in healing. That still doesn't change the simplicity.((Keep in mind I'm only talking about the dps skills not healing))
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    Last edited by xxvaynxx; 06-14-2019 at 03:32 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AikenDrum View Post
    Huh everyone should obviously wait till entire ShB content is released and only after patch 5.58 two years from now we'll be able to make any sort of conclusions about healing changes.
    After Stormblood release it only took them about a month to give SCH Miasma2 back. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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  6. #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by althenawhm View Post
    I mean, you are going to be dumping stacks just to fill the faery guage.
    Gotta waste those aetherflow heals to unlock other heals, that makes sense.
    Over all, yeah, just as well thought out as the SB lily gauge.
    Ah man I forgot about the fairy gauge. Honestly tho with all the healing skills we're getting I might as well put that next to dissipation. Also how in the world did that skill make it through to shb?! Yes pls, id like to have uber healing and more aether stacks that I'm not gonna burn through fast enough.
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  7. #17
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anselmet View Post
    Ah man I forgot about the fairy gauge. Honestly tho with all the healing skills we're getting I might as well put that next to dissipation. Also how in the world did that skill make it through to shb?! Yes pls, id like to have uber healing and more aether stacks that I'm not gonna burn through fast enough.
    Also that uber healing power doest affect the aetherflow skills, so its just a messed up skill in itself.
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    If I remember correctly those fights are tuned way down so as not to be a barrier to entry for non-FF players and journalists. At least when they're being presented at trade shows/industry conferences and not game specific events like Fanfest.

    Ergo I'm going to reserve judgment until I get my hands on the game as to how that fight in particular is actually handled. However the number crunching, theory crafting, lack of basic skills that harken back to pre-Stormblood worries (give me back Energy Drain, I don't even care if it doesn't do damage anymore but we need a stack drain SE), has me pessimistic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xxvaynxx View Post
    Well you look like you don't even raid so like... unless this an alt, how would you know if it'll take that long?
    You haven't did any of SB Savage to know how hard healing will be to "you" not
    I've cleared everything on alpha scape once. I cleared the first two of delta. After that my rag tag team fell apart and I've been too busy to dedicate myself to a static and I don't want to deal with the pf. I've cleared every primal the day it was out minus shinryu. I regularly farm all primal ex from drg, sch, brd, rdm and w.e strikes my fancy. I am mostly on a ps4. My friends are mostly on a ps4. W.e is on there is from randos uploading bc I don't pad nor do I care to. That also was the attitude of the ppl in my static. Logs are not automatically uploaded. I am not saying I am the greatest player ever, but certainly know enough about sch and I have done enough healing in extreme and savage. Really sick of ppl using that site to dismiss people's arguments. Still doesn't change my argument about caring about how sch should feel fun in the base game where the majority of ppl play. Just bc you ppl find savage to be the end all certainly does not make it so.
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  10. #20
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    Quote Originally Posted by xxvaynxx View Post
    Well you look like you don't even raid so like... unless this an alt, how would you know if it'll take that long?
    You haven't did any of SB Savage to know how hard healing will be to "you" not others.
    Eh that was if-then structure. Hmm i'll try to explain: so this 73 trial apparently isnt making healers busy with healing, and you said "wait until savage or at least ex primals because ... that might keep healers busy", so apparently normal content before that is irrelevant, and i argue: why stop at first ex/savage, lets make only the very last savage raid relevant, if healers are busy there this will make up for the lack of it in rest of content?
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