Suspended for Otter Nonsense

[SturmChurro]

I was over my cousins house when he got perm off these forums I go over there a lot even to post sometimes.
he showed me the emails he got and I laughed cause a lot of the stuff he was temp banned for people say today and still are posting.

He tried to get the ban overturned and explained people post the same stuff now then they replied they don't need to give a reason.

Problem was someone he reported because he said he was going to report them for something started to revenge report when they returned.
going through Post history even got him for a post a GM told him to get help on forums in beta then 3 years later was temp banned for that post instead of the forums GM to remove the topic after the help.

Then he got banned for small things that didn't even seem right till the perm.

cousin doesn't care anymore advice he told me not to post who you are reporting or say anything if it seems like a form of a attack but isn't don't post it people will revenge by chat history.

eventually the forums will croak leaving only leaving everyone who agree's with everything you say that really seems boring.

if you cannot debate things I say and nobody has a difference of opinion than why even have a forums at all perm only gets rid of the other side of the chat table and once all of them are gone consider this the allakzham forums that's why FFXIAH forums got so popular

then you have all the same faces posting the same stuff everyday then once that happens i'll fully move to reddit.

I have come to the conclusion that if you are going to post anything negative it needs to have specific wording, be directed broadly (as to not be considered a personal "insult", "discrimination", "slander", "libel", "harrassment"). Never actually address the user in your post, address the argument or statement. God forbid, if you accidentally use a swear word - you are done. I'd say you pretty much have to have a lawyer look over your posts, because something somewhere, if reported, could probably be deemed a "violation" of the ToS.

It would certainly skew the reports and punishments towards (hypothetical) "unreasonable people" taking offence to and reporting over minor issues, while more tolerant "reasonable people" might let things slide that really could/should be moderated - instead responding directly to the arguments in the discussion.

I think this is exactly what is happening. I think certain users are reporting over absolute nonsense with hyperbolic reports, while many other users are not reporting at all for things that could be equally "worthy" of a ban. I get the feeling the moderators are stepping in and banning specifically for reports.

Considering my case, and what I was banned for, I highly suspect the user I was responding to reported me for those exact reasons and got me banned. It was too much of a coincidence to be banned for something so ridiculous, and NOT have it be a weaponized report - over something so stupid, in my opinion. If anyone actually believes the post I was banned for equals what I supposedly "broke the ToS", even under review, Lord have mercy.

[Zeonx]

I have come to the conclusion that if you are going to post anything negative it needs to have specific wording, be directed broadly (as to not be considered a personal "insult", "discrimination", "slander", "libel", "harrassment"). Never actually address the user in your post, address the argument or statement. God forbid, if you accidentally use a swear word - you are done. I'd say you pretty much have to have a lawyer look over your posts, because something somewhere, if reported, could probably be deemed a "violation" of the ToS.

I think this is exactly what is happening. I think certain users are reporting over absolute nonsense with hyperbolic reports, while many other users are not reporting at all for things that could be equally "worthy" of a ban. I get the feeling the moderators are stepping in and banning specifically for reports.

Considering my case, and what I was banned for, I highly suspect the user I was responding to reported me for those exact reasons and got me banned. It was too much of a coincidence to be banned for something so ridiculous, and NOT have it be a weaponized report - over something so stupid, in my opinion. If anyone actually believes the post I was banned for equals what I supposedly "broke the ToS", even under review, Lord have mercy.

he wouldn't go that far he just said it should be fixed that its kinda weird that they ban someone for a word but someone who says the very same word the next day is fine.

[SturmChurro]

he wouldn't go that far he just said it should be fixed that its kinda weird that they ban someone for a word but someone who says the very same word the next day is fine.

In my opinion, the mods are not reading the forums. They are reading the reports. So saying something like a swear word can be completely buried if it is not reported. That is why I think there doesn't seem to be much consistency in bans.

[Zeonx]

In my opinion, the mods are not reading the forums. They are reading the reports. So saying something like a swear word can be completely buried if it is not reported. That is why I think there doesn't seem to be much consistency in bans.

his example was like this.

one group of friends post on forums regular basis, while he is alone.

lets say one of those groups of friends starts a debate gets heated but is proven wrong.
then he gets his group of friends to report since its a bunch of people he is more than likely going to get temp banned its their word vs his he's alone in the matter.

This should not exist he calls it the shark effect you are swimming in a pool of sharks and first sign of blood its a feeding frenzy

which makes you kinda right because of course mods are going to choose the pile over the one.

[SturmChurro]

his example was like this.

one group of friends post on forums regular basis, while he is alone.

lets say one of those groups of friends starts a debate gets heated but is proven wrong.
then he gets his group of friends to report since its a bunch of people he is more than likely going to get temp banned its their word vs his he's alone in the matter.

This should not exist he calls it the shark effect you are swimming in a pool of sharks and first sign of blood its a feeding frenzy

which makes you kinda right because of course mods are going to choose the pile over the one.

I also do not think the mods actually look over the thread for context. They look at the singular post, and the "offended" user's report. If it breaks their, in my opinion, broad interpretation of the ToS it is a ban. There is no course to appeal this ban either. Number of reports definitely has an effect, but I think a singular user reporting is enough. Considering the context of my last ban, I think this reinforces my theory.

[Zeonx]

Now I am not saying most bans aren't justified a lot are probably legit.

I have read some reddit post and some bans make zero sense, its like the meaning of words are different than what they think they are some use slang words but meant good but looked at as bad because someone doesn't know it.

some bans have you basically saying what the hell, then some bans you are like oh well then you shouldn't of said that I can see why you were banned.

[SturmChurro]

Now I am not saying most bans aren't justified a lot are probably legit.

I have read some reddit post and some bans make zero sense, its like the meaning of words are different than what they think they are some use slang words but meant good but looked at as bad because someone doesn't know it.

some bans have you basically saying what the hell, then some bans you are like oh well then you shouldn't of said that I can see why you were banned.

Definitely do not use any kind of slang terms, someone somewhere will no doubt be "offended" and report you, it will be considered "profanity". Don't get me wrong there are definitely some bans that are no doubt justified, but many of their reports, in my opinion, are NOT worthy of a ban at all.

I have moderated a large fan forum in the past, we gave warnings to users - messaged them directly, and even had an appeal process that was looked over by multiple senior users and moderation. I will admit to getting sarcastic in the past on these forums, but I was banned once I addressed the specific user. Did these bans in question address the user specifically, "profanity" aside? If you address a user in a negative light it can, and will be considered a violation of the ToS.

[Zeonx]

I also do not think the mods actually look over the thread for context. They look at the singular post, and the "offended" user's report. If it breaks their, in my opinion, broad interpretation of the ToS it is a ban. There is no course to appeal this ban either. Number of reports definitely has an effect, but I think a singular user reporting is enough. Considering the context of my last ban, I think this reinforces my theory.

Yeah I noticed that because on his email it was in quotations of a line and only pulled the line but ignored everything else. example would be like "you so and so thing" but totally ignored the guy who OP who baited everyone into the thread then who started fight.

to better make you understand let me try to re say what but without me saying the words.

a guy posted he should get his relic with no work at all that it should be given to him.

cousin basically said: that's no fun you should work for it and not take the L**Y way its much funner.

a z missing words trust me it happened lol

I see others posting with it all the time and said the same way and they are still around I couldn't believe it.

I don't think the op was the guy who reported it was like I said someone who wanted revenge cause it was every week he came back it was something new without posting.

[HyoMinPark]

I think this is exactly what is happening. I think certain users are reporting over absolute nonsense with hyperbolic reports, while many other users are not reporting at all for things that could be equally "worthy" of a ban. I get the feeling the moderators are stepping in and banning specifically for reports.

While I’m certain that people do this (revenge reporting, that is), I still see a lot of inconsistencies with posts and reports filed. I’ve reported posts in the past that have clearly violated a rule or guideline, but the post still remains to this day. Within the thread where all this went down, I reported posts by the OP that were never removed, so I wonder if it relies on a certain threshold being reached before moderators step in. I understand that the forums can be a busy place, with NA in particular having a lot of activity in terms of threads/posts made, but I’m not sure how I feel about this practice if it is the case. I know it’s probably impossible to ask for all reports to be reviewed, but...

[SturmChurro]

Yeah I noticed that because on his email it was in quotations of a line and only pulled the line but ignored everything else. example would be like "you so and so thing" but totally ignored the guy who OP who baited everyone into the thread then who started fight.

to better make you understand let me try to re say what but without me saying the words.

a guy posted he should get his relic with no work at all that it should be given to him.

cousin basically said: that's no fun you should work for it and not take the L**Y way its much funner.

a z missing words trust me it happened lol

Yes, so they stated that the user in question was doing something in a derogatory manner. It was enough. "You should" is what got them.

While I’m certain that people do this (revenge reporting, that is), I still see a lot of inconsistencies with posts and reports filed. I’ve reported posts in the past that have clearly violated a rule or guideline, but the post still remains to this day. Within the thread where all this went down, I reported posts by the OP that were never removed, so I wonder if it relies on a certain threshold being reached before moderators step in. I understand that the forums can be a busy place, with NA in particular having a lot of activity in terms of threads/posts made, but I’m not sure how I feel about this practice if it is the case. I know it’s probably impossible to ask for all reports to be reviewed, but...

Did the posts you were reporting contain "profanity" or address any user in any way? However, to go back to the post previously made by Zeonx I think volume of reports may play a part here, as well.