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  1. #6481
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    Quote Originally Posted by zeylos View Post
    Shows that it's the most request feature ever. This makes me think SE will just go by law of demand and give male viera and female hrotgar to us. The question imo is when, and I'd say 6.0
    This is a Causal Fallacy.

    They understand people want it, it isn't going to magically make the resources available nor get the approval from the higher ups to increase staff enough to handle the PERMANENT increase in workflow.

    Your enthusiasm is admirable.. but irrational.
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    WHERE IS THIS KETTLE EVERYONE KEEPS INTRODUCING ME TO?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fredco191 View Post
    “Law”? What law?
    There actually is such a thing, just not quite the way he described it (which actually has more to do with profit-maximisation... of course you'd have to factor in (opportunity) costs for that.)

    That said, if these figures are maintained/improved on, I can see them adding the missing genders.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stry View Post
    It would also be more than likely one of the top disliked ones but we don't have that option unfortunately.
    For one, without such an option you're left with nothing but idle speculation.

    For another, it makes zero difference how many people "dislike" it, since what they will base their decision on is the projected return on investment of the feature, not "likes" or "dislikes" - the "likes" simply affect how probable it is that it'll catch their attention. If they're seriously interested in capitalising on the profit opportunity, they would likely undertake further research to see if the demand is there. SE has ample means of doing so and I am fairly certain that they have a good enough grasp of their own game's player statistics that they can infer as much even without undertaking such research. To put it another way, they're not equivalent in terms of profit opportunity.
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    Last edited by Lauront; 06-14-2019 at 05:16 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zeylos View Post
    I believe this is now the biggest forums thread ever?
    570 of the posts in it are yours. 261 are mine. It's largely the same few people - myself included - posting in the thread to keep it active.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fredco191 View Post
    “Law”? What law?
    It isnt like a federal law, it means that if theres a high demand for something, you should offer it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    570 of the posts in it are yours. 261 are mine. It's largely the same few people - myself included - posting in the thread to keep it active.
    Still, regardless of that, it's the most liked thread in the forums ever, and you can only like a thread once

    Quote Originally Posted by Krotoan View Post
    This is a Causal Fallacy.

    They understand people want it, it isn't going to magically make the resources available nor get the approval from the higher ups to increase staff enough to handle the PERMANENT increase in workflow.

    Your enthusiasm is admirable.. but irrational.
    It isn't gonna magically appear, but it will for sure show SE that it's completely worth to put the resources onto it, meaning that it's likely that the up people at SE decided to give more resources to the devs to give us male viera, since the high demand shows it would mean a lot of money for them

    Quote Originally Posted by Stry View Post
    It would also be more than likely one of the top disliked ones but we don't have that option unfortunately.
    absolutely any hot topic will get lots of dislikes, but I'm almost 100% sure that nobody or almost nobody would be offended or mad if we got male viera. If you don't like it, don't play it
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    Decision-makers don't make decisions based on vindictive/agenda driven negativity. I don't think it ever crosses Yoshida's mind that there's some people that don't want male Viera, at all. Like he didn't care about those that didn't want (female) Viera when that was going for 4+ years; there was a handful of people constantly and without rest denouncing adding (female) Viera.

    It has little, to no influence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amnmaat View Post
    Decision-makers don't make decisions based on vindictive/agenda driven negativity. I don't think it ever crosses Yoshida's mind that there's some people that don't want male Viera, at all. Like he didn't care about those that didn't want (female) Viera when that was going for 4+ years; there was a handful of people constantly and without rest denouncing adding (female) Viera.

    It has little, to no influence.
    Indeed. The amount of attention the topic garnered has already put it on their radar, so it's accomplished that much at least. The decision to add the two missing genders will come down to whether they can justify the cost, and not much else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amnmaat View Post
    Decision-makers don't make decisions based on vindictive/agenda driven negativity. I don't think it ever crosses Yoshida's mind that there's some people that don't want male Viera, at all. Like he didn't care about those that didn't want (female) Viera when that was going for 4+ years; there was a handful of people constantly and without rest denouncing adding (female) Viera.

    It has little, to no influence.
    In fact, I doubt there's people who don't want male viera at all other than those who feel attacked by their supporters, but their probelm isn't male viera more so that they don't want some ppl to enjoy it
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    Quote Originally Posted by zeylos View Post
    In fact, I doubt there's peopel who don't want male viera at all other than those who feel attacked by their supporters, but their probelm isn't male viera more so that they don't want some ppl to enjoy it
    I believe a lot of the people against it expressed concern for the proposed designs and the baggage that comes with them. Yoshi-P having to make a statement stating that child-like viera will not be a thing certainly did not help the perception of this thread where outsiders are concerned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    I believe a lot of the people against it expressed concern for the proposed designs and the baggage that comes with them. Yoshi-P having to make a statement stating that child-like viera will not be a thing certainly did not help the perception of this thread where outsiders are concerned.
    I can understand ppl fearing sexy alphinaud with bunny ears. Thankfully that has been confirmed to not happen
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