Feed back for the devs and a compromise from the community.

[Izanagi_Fiaresu]

Just curious OP, what exactly do you mean by "back end and quality of life updates." Like, please give some examples of things you like in exchange for content.

1. Fix the net/server code.
2. Fix the Engine for higher res character models.

If they were to fix the net code so the server ticks aren't a thing to play around? I think that would be awesome.

[SieyaM]

If you're going to cut something for improvements elsewhere, then it really should be savage raiding, or the 8 man raids in general. I am sure people here will be very vocal about it since "it's the only content that matters" but it is also the least played content of the game. If you're going to cut something it really should be the least played content, even if it has the loudest players

[CorbinDallas]

If you're going to cut something for improvements elsewhere, then it really should be savage raiding, or the 8 man raids in general. I am sure people here will be very vocal about it since "it's the only content that matters" but it is also the least played content of the game. If you're going to cut something it really should be the least played content, even if it has the loudest players

Normal mode would have to go too then considering they design the fights top down. Savage first, then strip away and alter mechanics for normal mode. Could you casuals handle that?

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

If you're going to cut something for improvements elsewhere, then it really should be savage raiding, or the 8 man raids in general. I am sure people here will be very vocal about it since "it's the only content that matters" but it is also the least played content of the game. If you're going to cut something it really should be the least played content, even if it has the loudest players

In that case let's get rid of male glamour

[SieyaM]

Normal mode would have to go too then considering they design the fights top down. Savage first, then strip away and alter mechanics for normal mode. Could you casuals handle that?

The top end would just change from savage raiding to another piece of content, or they could design them differently all together. But your remark about "could you casuals handle that" is perfectly indicative of the attitude savage players have. Even though you are the smallest minority of players you believe yourselves the most important and the driving force of the game, when the fact is if you all left SE would barely feel the loss in subscriptions.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

The top end would just change from savage raiding to another piece of content, or they could design them differently all together. But your remark about "could you casuals handle that" is perfectly indicative of the attitude savage players have. Even though you are the smallest minority of players you believe yourselves the most important and the driving force of the game, when the fact is if you all left SE would barely feel the loss in subscriptions.

You realize thatthere are a lot more people who raid, but don't finish the tier than you expect right? I sure hope you don't also complain about the quality of players dropping currently while raiders on on break.


Getting rid of the raids leaves nothing difficult to do I. This game. Instead we can not update things like pvp and male glamour, since those aren't really used much and just have a loud minority. Right? Can also get rid of beast tribes and the catch up leveling areas like potd and HoH.


The truth is the only content in the game that most people do is dungeons. Everything else is optional. And no one will ever agree on what is worth it to give up.

[SieyaM]

Look what I said was probably inflammatory and I am aware that I probably should have worded it differently but the attitude of raiders has generally been self important and dismissive of others, and I think it needs to stop. Also the people that attempt and never clear, can you also say that they would really miss it? Or that they would leave the game if there were no raiding? Are you also implying that without the raiding community no one else would be able to clear any content, because I just find that hard to believe.

[AxlStream]

Look what I said was probably inflammatory and I am aware that I probably should have worded it differently but the attitude of raiders has generally been self important and dismissive of others, and I think it needs to stop. Also the people that attempt and never clear, can you also say that they would really miss it? Or that they would leave the game if there were no raiding? Are you also implying that without the raiding community no one else would be able to clear any content, because I just find that hard to believe.

Considering it's raiders that give you guides, rotations, BiS lists. Yeah, most players wouldn't amount to much. Also how many more enrage wipes would you see if the overall quality of players go down? Alot more, if you even get there.

[Penthea]

Issue is? FFXIV is a constant money maker for Square Enix but that money goes to other projects.

And where do you think the money to make FFXIV came from? Thin air? It came from other projects.

Using money from one project to fund another is a perfectly normal, legitimate and sensible business practise in any industry. Get used to it.

[Vidu]

Look what I said was probably inflammatory and I am aware that I probably should have worded it differently but the attitude of raiders has generally been self important and dismissive of others, and I think it needs to stop. Also the people that attempt and never clear, can you also say that they would really miss it? Or that they would leave the game if there were no raiding? Are you also implying that without the raiding community no one else would be able to clear any content, because I just find that hard to believe.

I suppose you're right in a sense - as in that its not "raiders" that you need to provide you with guides or assistances but rather dedicated people who know the ins and outs of their jobs and have the will and the motivation to figure out how fights work in detail.
Lots of people dont have this dedication, even lots of people who dabble with endgame. They look up BiS-lists and guides and if they cant find any, they dont bother anymore. They might clear fights, but they might not understand why they cleared them and cant replicate it - my raidgroup is trying to figure out stuff on our own for the most part, but we've had situations where certain mechanics were so... cryptic that we were able to come up with ways of somehow dealing with them but we didnt understood what was happening (stuff like patterns of markers targetting people and the like).

And even if not for providing guides: You need dedicated people to basically promote your game, in a sense.
But here is the problem: you need those dedicated people to be intrested and you need to reward them for their dedication and give them something where they can put all their work and knowledge to good use - the raids.

I'm quite tired of this raider-hate and all the "elitist"-screams that are getting thrown around, specially because there is no good reason for that. But there is a good reason to actually give people an "endgoal" and to keep those people who really put a lot of work into this game intrested.
Without that the overall mindset of the game would turn even more into "eh, it doesnt really matter what I'm doing and what gear I'm wearing anyways", which can only be harmful to the overall community.


And personally - and a little anecdotal: Half of the active members of my FC are "raid-logging" for the past... 2 months? We only log in to raid together and then log back out. And we only just cleared A12S this week, despite trying for... far to long - we're going about this very casual, two raiddays a week, trying to figure everything out ourselves and actually not using guides, but its the most fun and engaging content to me. Its the only content that actually make me feel like it really matters wether or not I get new gear or optimise my rotation. Its the only content that rewards me for trying my best. So yes. I would dearly miss that.

And thats kinda what I meant earlier: Cutting content just because only a fraction of people are enjoying it, might actually cut the major part of the content those people are enjoying. PvP isnt excatly popular. Crafting and Gathering - specially endgame - arent really popular. Not everyone does Hilli. And so on and so on.
But I dare say that the game is better off with offering something for every type of player - hardcore-raider, casual-raider, non-raider, only-crafter.

...and please for the love of the twelve... can we finally stop with this nonsensical hating on people who like a challenge once in a while? Specially when its presented with such broad and unproven, non-fact-based claims?