Will dancer become a 'required' job?

[Kaedan]

Not really, the main idea was to stop forcing certain pairs (mainly Dragon and Bard).

"We don't want groups to only accept a few certain jobs" =/= stop forcing certain pairs only.

So yes, really. Their overall goal with balance this expansion was to stop the "meta" and reduce if not eliminate "required" jobs for hard content.

Now, whether they succeed at their goal is yet to be seen.

[Fluffernuff]

maybe this is my fault for shifting into the mindset that it doesnt matter and missing out on all the meta talk, but im a little confused...

last i knew, the 2 most requested and "required" jobs were DRG and NIN..... which were competing for dead last personal DPS. and again- were still "required". with that support being mostly dropped, yet DNC gaining it.... why does the meta community suddenly care about how little DNC would do? did I miss a patch that buffed DRG and NIN or something?


...No, seriously, when did the community take such a hard left with the rDPS mentality?

[MrKusakabe]

metas will always be a thing
better to ignore it and enjoy the game because at the end of the day it only matters for the top 0.01%

Thank you very much for this! There are so many factors to incorporate like individual player skills, connectivity issues, the very mechanic of the dungeon etc.

League of Legends is a prime example: All the noobs (yes, I rarely use the word, but it is right in this context) play "meta" because they have seen it in streams, in theorycraft guides, in the forums. But they just can't play it. They lack either strategical values (e.g. where to place wards, Teemo mushrooms,...) or the motoric features (unable to klick fast/mash buttons right) or even handicap themselves by playing with fixed camera.

In FF14, before my hiatus, I had a Black Mage in Syrcus Tower if I remember correctly that was talking about my rotation (which was standard) and how trash I am as Black Mage. He died twice in the dungeon by stupidity which cost us much more damage in the end any meta could have saved...

I rather have a passionate (insert profession) than a meta (insert profession, here: Dancer) that is outright garbage with it just because he read it somewhere on the internet how awesome it could be. ....in an unrealistic clean room environment not even close to the actual game.

Sincerely,

[Driavna]

"We don't want groups to only accept a few certain jobs" =/= stop forcing certain pairs only.

So yes, really. Their overall goal with balance this expansion was to stop the "meta" and reduce if not eliminate "required" jobs for hard content.

Now, whether they succeed at their goal is yet to be seen.

Can you link me the source of the quote, please? I remember something different.

[Makeda]

I kinda hope not...

As a former Controller / Dominator player in City of Heroes/ Villains... I've been looking for a true support class for years. MMOs claim it, but never live up to it.

If Dancer becomes 'required' while also being 'fun' as the majority defines it, it's going to be very hard to get into statics as a Dancer. If it's off meta, there will at least be casual statics to get into. If it's seen as 'too weird and not fun' but also meta... then it'll be like Ninja where the few players on it will have their pick of statics. I'm actually hoping the random-proc based nature of Dancer turns off a lot of people, and I can sneak in there with it...

But I do think it has a very high chance of being meta. It depends on how strong the buffs end up being in actual play, and how much the random proc based skill usage annoys players away from it or disrupts the effectiveness of it.

[micropanther7]

Just speaking for some of the harder trials and/or raids, but after seeing one of the 'support abilities' spreadsheets the fine folks over on the Balance were making (based, of course, on data that could but most likely won't change), it seems SE has made dancer into the only true 'buffer'. Yoshi-P pretty much said this directly in his Famitsu interview.

I thought that 5.0 was attempting to decrease the 'synergies' between jobs, and yet dancer seems to be synergistic with everything. Thoughts?

**Link is not my work at all and just taken from the reddit thread u/Jahaudant posted that will be updated soon, it seems**

https://i.imgur.com/pJ8k7B8.png

I'm more concerned about the bickering that's going to ensue when choosing a partner, or deciding between a partner, or applying the Technical Finish to the whole party, it's ok if you're in a group with people you know, but in DF? Can you imagine what that's going to be like? >.> Think I'll be using it when I'm with my brother and definitely not in DF.

[Raikai]

Technically most of the DNC support skills are increases to just another single target party member, so to me it feels like that is to compensate for less dps while you're dancing.
Of course, clever DNCs can pick party members that are over performing and boost that.

And to be noted, they went gone with synergy skills, not support. This basically means that a job is required for the others to achieve their maximum potential because of specific debuffs they keep all the time. The support skills, as you can see, are small temporary buffs.

[linay]

I'm more concerned about the bickering that's going to ensue when choosing a partner, or deciding between a partner, or applying the Technical Finish to the whole party, it's ok if you're in a group with people you know, but in DF? Can you imagine what that's going to be like? >.> Think I'll be using it when I'm with my brother and definitely not in DF.

It's not much different than with Dragoon and its tether.

[Penthea]

If its buffs are decent and if its personal dps is good, it's going to be part of the meta.

The thing about the meta is though it's just a suggestion for a raid composition. It's not a mandatory one. There are of course better and worse team set-ups but the point is several of them will easily lead you to success. Another thing to note is people will usually perform far better on a class they enjoy, even if theoretically another class would be superior.

I wish more people realised this. Some are just too caught up in trying to be like the hot-shot players that they forget every class has its place. I understand how the meta matters to those who raid competitively, but if you don't there is little point in going crazy over it.

[Bonbori]

Here's a friendly reminder that the Meta does not apply to like 95% of all players (also 110% of all statistics are made up on the spot so don't @ me).

Trying to squeeze an extra couple % out of the party's performance will be entirely negated by:
- Failing mechanics
- Having to adjust for mechanics
- Messing up rotations
- Desyncing buff windows
- Random lag spikes
- Random DPS loss/gain from DH, CH and procs
- Positioning mistakes
- Individual familiarity with the classes being played
- People dying when they are killed
- A cat unplugging someone's power cord

More likely than not, running a Meta composition will not guarantee most pugs and statics to get their first clear. That will be entirely up to collective skill, mechanical performance, learning capacity and a bit of luck.

However, past the first couple of clears, once everyone knows the fight like the back of their hand, an optimal Meta composition will probably help with farming. Assuming that everyone is already performing at around 100% of their capabilities and is making very few/no mistakes, a few % DPS gain will speed up each pull and/or compensate for variance in case someone does make a non-critical mistake.

TL;DR:
Most of us, especially me and YOU, yes you, very specifically you who are reading this, will not be able to take advantage of a Meta composition, therefore no particular job will be "required" for anything. There is no reliable substitute for simply gitting gud.