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  1. #31
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    FoxyAreku's Avatar
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    Areku Foxfire
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    Hyperion
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Bard was required in 2.0 and the first part of heavensward, then machinist was required for the later half of heavensward after it was buffed, and then bard has been required again for the entirety of stormblood. I'm okay with a new job getting the spotlight for a bit.
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  2. #32
    Player Amnmaat's Avatar
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    Character
    Loud Jungle
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    Sargatanas
    Main Class
    Black Mage Lv 60
    Savage raiders will always find the "best" composition for raids. I wouldn't design calsses/jobs based on that.
    If it's not Dancer it's Bard, if not Bard then Ninja, if not Ninja then Summoner. As long as any composition can clear it the rest shouldn't matter.\

    Optimal is not the same as Required.
    Required is the wrong word.

    Just like it's not required to bring ninja/dragoon to clear savage raids.
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  3. #33
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    Sigrun Helasdottir
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    Brynhildr
    Main Class
    Scholar Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Derio View Post
    Depends on their personal dps. The support + their own dps has to be greater than adding a balm or Sam to the party
    I dont think that will be the case its already been said that DNCers dps contribution will be lower because of the buffs they bring to the table.
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    "Sometimes I wonder I heal for fun. or if I heal because I'm a glutton for punishment."

  4. #34
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    bass9020's Avatar
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    Character
    Versatile Bottom
    World
    Faerie
    Main Class
    Summoner Lv 90
    Who cares? Its reasons like this why we cant have interesting and unique jobs. Play what you like and what you enjoy, never understood the mentality of complaining because a group wont except you. Move on and start your own group/find a group that doesnt care.
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  5. #35
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    Sigrun Helasdottir
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    Brynhildr
    Main Class
    Scholar Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by bass9020 View Post
    Who cares? Its reasons like this why we cant have interesting and unique jobs. Play what you like and what you enjoy, never understood the mentality of complaining because a group wont except you. Move on and start your own group/find a group that doesnt care.
    Honestly I never understood the mentality of complaining about any class change. The arguments are never well thought out or constructive just blatant whine, reeeee, and you sucks across the board with maybe just maybe a well thought out suggestion after all the datas together. I honestly think it's because people are resistant to change and refuse to adapt until they're forced to.

    As to this... No honestly I dont think there will be a required class unless it's in somebodies headmeat that THIS IS THE COMBO THAT WORKS. When the reality is likely more... any combo works this just worked for you guys.
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    "Sometimes I wonder I heal for fun. or if I heal because I'm a glutton for punishment."

  6. #36
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    van_arn's Avatar
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    Van Arn
    World
    Goblin
    Main Class
    Samurai Lv 90
    Ideally dancer will be balanced in such a way that it's optimal in certain situations and against specific bosses, but not on others.

    We all know this probably won't happen. It's inevitably all or nothing once the "best party" has been solved.
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  7. #37
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    Character
    Avnus Vabruyt
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    Diabolos
    Main Class
    Machinist Lv 90
    To add to the MNK and DNC tag team, not only will DNC benefit MNK so it can get more chakras but with MNK's new GL4 while under the effects of Standard Finish MNK will be able to help DNC build Espri much faster due to it's faster gcd.
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  8. #38
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    Character
    Janhyua Yotsuyu
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    Tonberry
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    Samurai Lv 80
    1. Do you need dancer to clear anything?
    Answer: you don't need dancer to clear anything.

    2. Do you need dancer to get 95% perf on fflogs
    Answer: yes and mostly for dps only, the support such as tank and healer will most likely easily get their 95 provided if they are good at their job since dancer mostly only buff dps
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    Maybe they could change the way data is presented so that so-called "padding" won't be as much of an issue, like maybe separating raid DPS contribution if possible.
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  10. #40
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    Typical Karen
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    Exodus
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    Pugilist Lv 62
    Quote Originally Posted by van_arn View Post
    Ideally dancer will be balanced in such a way that it's optimal in certain situations and against specific bosses, but not on others.

    We all know this probably won't happen. It's inevitably all or nothing once the "best party" has been solved.
    I think the devs have made it pretty clear that flavor can be the only unique aspect of jobs. From the ground up every aspect of this game was designed for all jobs to be equal in every instance.

    One of the things I really miss about FFXI was real job uniqueness. Some jobs were just bad for some fights. And you could strategize differently for difficult fights based on available party comp.
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    Last edited by Reinfeld; 06-09-2019 at 03:23 PM.

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