Stop telling healers to go play dps

[Ilyrian]

But the ones that deliberately just idle instead of doing something, full knowing that this game is designed differently.

You put that a lot more succinctly than I did.

[Elgeron]

I never played an MMO before this one. The first class I played was Conjurer. I saw I had DPS spells and enemies only removed so much from HP bars. Of course I was very careful at first, but I used DPS spells from the beginning. I think that if FFXIV is your very first MMO or even RPG your even less prone to just healing, because your not used to the heal-only role of some other games.

Quite interesting, if I may share an anecdote myself, my father, who really never played an MMORPG before this actually used DPS spells too when he started playing healer. It is quite interesting to know the point of view of those that start playing without any pre-conceived notion.

I have to add that if someone is totally new and doesn't DPS as healer I'm really fine with it, because he must first realize that healing isn't needed all the time. Maybe he doesn't have good gear in his first dungeon and the tank is inexperienced as well, so he HAS to use his heals. But he is able to realize after a while that he would just stand around doing nothing if he only heals in a "normal" party.

And to the first post you made that I quoted, with the "play other games", this is almost all the time only meant for healers from other games that refuse to adapt, not to the new and inexperienced players that are still learning. But the ones that deliberately just idle instead of doing something, full knowing that this game is designed differently.

This is the opinion that I share. Is ok not to DPS if one doesn't have the skill or confidence to do so, but is unfair not to contribute when one can. Is not even like giving "100% all the time", but if the tank is making an effort to reduce incoming damage, the DPS are doing well and using their support skills, and downtime is generated, and you have the skills and knowledge to dps, I think is atleast respectful to do so. I have tanked tons, and I would never berate a healer that doesn't DPS, as I cannot know what their experience and skill are, even when well geared, but it doesn't mean that I will just be happy and accept a perfectly capable healer not doing more than the bare minimun. Also, how so many people use this excuse to defend the homogenization and removal of healer class' mechanichs, while it wasn't ever a issue of DPSing or not.

[CorbinDallas]

I'm fairly certain I can outplay you in this game if you really want to go there.

I love it when people claim things like this, because all it takes is a simple Lodestone search to prove that they're talking out of their behind.

[Nariel]

I love it when people claim things like this, because all it takes is a simple Lodestone search to prove that they're talking out of their behind.

Yeah because the lodestone ranks player by their ability to play their job as everybody know. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Damn those hardcore gamers and their grand compagny seals, they are so better at this game...

[Videra]

I love it when people claim things like this, because all it takes is a simple Lodestone search to prove that they're talking out of their behind.

A certain logs site would be a better bet, at that.

[Elgeron]

I think he is refering to the achivements, in particular those related to raids, extreme and savage.

A certain logs site would be a better bet, at that.

For the most part yes, but it depends if the player in question even make use of that site.

[Videra]

For the most part yes, but it depends if the player in question even make use of that site.

The player doesn't have to. If they play anything remotely resembling savage or extreme content, they -will- have logs, unless they've hidden them.

[Nariel]

I think he is refering to the achivements, in particular those related to raids, extreme and savage.

And still it don't prove anything since anybody can be carried away by better friends or by being average enough. Plus people that are good enough but not interested by raiding content. You only can make assuption that worth nothing out of worthless information.

@videra : Only if they have a parsing buddy/pick-up that upload said parse with him and its not as reccurent as you may think, some parse but don't upload, some other don't bother with parse at all. And you can't guaranty you'll find a parse showing peak performance either if it was a random upload.

[disturbedcobra]

The player doesn't have to. If they play anything remotely resembling savage or extreme content, they -will- have logs, unless they've hidden them.

Not remotely 100%. I play on PS4 and I just checked if I have anyong on FFlogs and it barely has any info on me whatsoever. I have never used it in the past either. I only have one dungeon listed even though I ran dozens over the last few days and barely any stats on my multiple runs of Monastary also. XD Unless you are referring to another log site?

[Videra]

Not remotely 100%. I play on PS4 and I just checked if I have anyong on FFlogs and it barely has any info on me whatsoever. I have never used it in the past either. I only have one dungeon listed even though I ran dozens over the last few days and barely any stats on my multiple runs of Monastary also. XD Unless you are referring to another log site?

It is anecdotal, thinking about it. I pretty much always see a new parse pop up every time I do one of the 24 man raids or some such. It's part of the fun, for me - and in regards to peak performance, that's less how I mean. I more mean you can parse how much someone actually cares by looking at their logs, like you can tell if someone is keeping the GCD rolling if they're blue. So on. Sorry, didn't mean to make this about FFlogs.