The reason we healers DPS

[Ilyrian]

but it sucks that I think they haven't received the much needed utility they should have,

I'm very much of the wait and see mind - I'm uncharacteristically positive about the xpac, for now anyway.
But, I think you do have a point - alarmingly it seems that instead of adding utility to WHM they gone the other route and smashed it out of the other two healers. Which is not really a great way to do it imo.

But we'll see I guess. I'm still going to do 90% of my dungeon runs on WHM, I'm pretty sure.

[Payadopa]

Why do you even play a healer then? That's like saying DPSs should tank more.

I'm glad they want to focus on healing.

[Elgeron]

I'm very much of the wait and see mind - I'm uncharacteristically positive about the xpac, for now anyway.
But, I think you do have a point - alarmingly it seems that instead of adding utility to WHM they gone the other route and smashed it out of the other two healers. Which is not really a great way to do it imo.

But we'll see I guess. I'm still going to do 90% of my dungeon runs on WHM, I'm pretty sure.

Oh, I agree. Can't wait for the release of ShB. Even if I'm displeased with the healer issue, for the most part it looks very promising. For now I'll probably focus on other classes before SCH, which was my favourite healer, but there is still a very real possibility that, atleast in patch 5.1 or beyond, things are going to be improved. Also kind of puzzling what they had done with utility, putting most of it on DNC. I mean, I love buffers in RPGs, but it seems quite a daring move, contradictory with the declarations of reducing synergies.

[Ilyrian]

Oh, I agree. Can't wait for the release of ShB. Even if I'm displeased with the healer issue, for the most part it looks very promising. For now I'll probably focus on other classes before SCH, which was my favourite healer, but there is still a very real possibility that, atleast in patch 5.1 or beyond, things are going to be improved. Also kind of puzzling what they had done with utility, putting most of it on DNC. I mean, I love buffers in RPGs, but it seems quite a daring move, contradictory with the declarations of reducing synergies.

I was thinking the same. 2 steps forward and 3 back? Perhaps. But it's the same in all MMOs I suppose, if you have a class that can do anything unique it is either mandatory or completely useless.

[ForteNightshade]

A Healer doesn't wish to use DPS spells? Fine, let him. He's healing and keeping you alive, performing his primary task.
A Healer uses DPS spells, and your HP drops, but you don't die? Fine, let him. He's performing his primary task and helped you kill stuff faster.
A Healer uses DPS spells, and your HP drops to 0? That healer didn't do his job, assuming you weren't standing in avoidable damage.

Essentially, let a healer do whatever they want even if it means they get to stand around contributing barely anything while you do all the work. Keep in mind, Expert dungeons are so damn easy nowadays, you don't even need a healer period. So a non-DPSing healer in any one of them is actually useless. Regardless, it isn't about their damage contribution or lack thereof but the fact they are the only job getting a pass at utilizing half their kit. If we hold everyone to that same standard, PLD can get Flash spam and AFK. They did their job. DPS aren't AoEing? That's okay, the mobs are still dying... very slowly.

[Ilyrian]

, Expert dungeons are so damn easy nowadays, you don't even need a healer period. So a non-DPSing healer in any one of them is actually useless.

This is also true. If you gave RDM a spamable and decent heal you could do away with a healer altogether in a decently geared grp.

[Urthdigger]

Why do you even play a healer then? That's like saying DPSs should tank more.

I'm glad they want to focus on healing.

You could try, I dunno, actually reading the first post if you wanted to know that? Answering that question is LITERALLY what the thread is about XD

[Novae]

Hello, first timer here.
I've been playing for 7 months now, bouncing between WHM and PLD. I'm a dps kind of healer, I love spamming holy, or anything that keeps me busy during downtimes.
But since I don't have friends in game, I mostly use DF, or PF for ex primals. And I understand why many healers don't want to DPS. Tanks are squishy, DPS tend to stand in aoes, a lot of players are (severly) undergeared, or lack experience. Doing any 60 or 70 alliance raids ( even WoD) with first timers or inexperienced players and you'll have to heal/rez a lot. And I love it, as much as spamming Holy in dungeons.
I think that healers who complain about pure healing being boring need to step up outside of their static/FC group and start spamming DF. I might be wrong tho. But when I read comments about clearing dungeons in 10 minutes without having to heal your tank ( of course), I'm pretty sure you don't talk about DF groups here.
Not saying that you have to heal only, or DPS only. To each their own. I'm not the kind of player to tell others how they should or shouldn't play. I understand healers who want to DPS, I understand healers who want to heal only. And I understand why SCH are concerned about 5.0. WHM and AST tho...

[Kazrah]

Why do you think it is not their job to help with DPS? Do you think it is enough for them to cast one heal every now and then and just idle the rest of the time? If yes, why do you think it is alright? I'm actually curious. Most people that have that mindset don't answer more than "because I want to" or "because the role is called healer". Personally I can not understand why some people find it acceptable or even good if a player in their groups lets everyone else work for them while they can get away with only pressing a few buttons sometimes. I want to understand why others think otherwise.

I think it's mostly because of healers looking at DPS players with a thought along the lines of "you're so bad at your job that we have to do it for you". Yes, it's helpful and makes things go faster, but the issue is that we, the players, have become spoiled by the expectation that healers have to do damage in addition to their prime role when it really should be seen as an optional thing for healers who are either bored or are otherwise comfortable with doing damage.

In fact, I'd actually argue that some healers lost a bit of their damage kits because devs either don't want healers to be "the green DPS" or they wanted to streamline things so it would be easier to do damage as a healer. Granted, it's also important to bear in mind that we only have one piece of the puzzle in the form of numbers that may or may not have changed by the time we're in the expansion, so we don't really know things like how hard enemies will hit tanks or how often healers will actually be able to do damage. You can guess and formulate all you want, but that doesn't really mean anything until the expansion hits.

[Payadopa]

You could try, I dunno, actually reading the first post if you wanted to know that? Answering that question is LITERALLY what the thread is about XD

Again, don't play a healer then.