The Market Board makes me sad.

[Dfess]

There are FCs/LS(s) which coordinate market segment takeovers and monopolies.

I think many of the gathering market segments are plagued by gathering bots/bot farms.

Even if they sell stuff at 1 gil each, it's profit for them.And since, it's not profitable for human players to compete directly with bots/bot farms, there are plenty of market segments which are basically bot monopolies competing with each other.

Are we talking actual bots or people who actually farm for hours?

Cause if it's the former, isn't that bannable? If bots are crashing the market why isn't SE banning them? Or is SE banning them and more just come? If that's the case why dont they hardware ban them so they cant come back?

[LittleChickenNugget]

I personally like when people crash the market. More goodies for less for me. Plus I've been guilty of listing things half of what the last lister is selling for just to sell it quick. It works and it's usually sold within the day. But then again, I also have so much gil from just selling drops that it really doesn't bother me much.

[Mistyregions]

This thread is hilarious. The irony is awesome.

What we have here is capitalism in two forms, the US(ish) system and the EU(ish) system. What OP wants is a European Union system. What OP is getting is the US system.

How much is your time worth? Time is the only cost in this game that is tangible. You don't physically put anything in, you never get your Sub back, so time is the only factor. (Googling a node and clicking 7 times is not effort by any real standard)

What OP is pissed off about is he believes crafters should be able to ask a set price and pulling the bottom out from it should not happen (or maybe be illegal) that's very European union of you. What is happening is people are playing china, rock bottom prices , supply and demand and price to sell.

Just like with capitalism, you ethire match it or get forced out of the market. Sqeen is not going to set prices for items or create any kinds of "limits" on how much people can sell certain quality items for.

[supergiz]

Are we talking actual bots or people who actually farm for hours?

Cause if it's the former, isn't that bannable? If bots are crashing the market why isn't SE banning them? Or is SE banning them and more just come? If that's the case why dont they hardware ban them so they cant come back?

It's impossible to get rid of bots. Like cockroaches, they keep coming back with new accounts after banned. Even hardware banning is not effective as there's ways around that. It's impossible to really ban people from services on the internet unless it's stuff like YouTube and their entire channel revolves around their real self on videos.

[Gariored]

its an competitive market. COMPETE

not every player is going to go down by 1 gil like a mook.

[KageTokage]

Are we talking actual bots or people who actually farm for hours?

Cause if it's the former, isn't that bannable? If bots are crashing the market why isn't SE banning them? Or is SE banning them and more just come? If that's the case why dont they hardware ban them so they cant come back?

There are tons of DoL/H bots around. The former aren't difficult to identify if you pay attention to their movement patterns and note how they're able to follow the exact same path between the gathering nodes consistently with no deviation whatsoever. You'll see them forming conga lines if there are multiple bots in the same zone. They also tend to either only show up in the dead hours of the morning or literally do nothing but gather 24/7.

It is bannable, but SE seldom bans them (Which is evident from their weekly illicit activity reports), and even when they do get banned it's rarely a permaban.

I've been reporting a trio of DoL/H bots that have been active since I started playing in late HW and they're still going strong even as I type this message.

It's impossible to get rid of bots. Like cockroaches, they keep coming back with new accounts after banned. Even hardware banning is not effective as there's ways around that. It's impossible to really ban people from services on the internet unless it's stuff like YouTube and their entire channel revolves around their real self on videos.

The types of bots at work here are not like the gil farmers who can be immediately replaced if they get banned.

These are characters that needed to be leveled all the way to 70 on a DoW/M class, then max out their DoL and/or DoH classes to start their farming.

If the STF actually did their job properly they could be easily kept under control, but...

its an competitive market. COMPETE

not every player going to go down by 1 gil like a mook.

You can't compete with bots who effectively have an infinite amount of time to invest into crafting/gathering and basically only care about how fast their stuff sells.

[Voidedge_Ragna]

If a item has 10 entries listed for 1mil ... it costs 200k to make it and it has not sold for a while ... im not going to undercut you by 1 gil but 400k.

Which will trigger a sale (hopefully) and then list another for 600k.

You dont ruin the market ... just becauce a item is listed for x doesn't mean it worth it.

Item value + profit in %
Or calculate how much an hour of farming is worth to you.

The market boards will have to adjust to the lowest value in the long run they will all align.

But please dont expect ppl to play the stupid "waaah you ruin the price if you dont undercut by one gil"

If i see a price like 1.999.999 and one for 2mil ... ill buy for 2 mil. Adjust your price in a meaningful way or wait in line.

[Gariored]

You can't compete with bots who effectively have an infinite amount of time to invest into crafting/gathering and basically only care about how fast their stuff sells.

you're giving bots waaay to much credit, players buying crafting/gathering items from NPCs and reselling it are a bigger issue than any bot.

but it sounds like you need to jump to more unique items instead of trying to sell basic things ANY yahoo can obtain.


(also not to be a dick, but blaming everything on bots seems to be a convenience excuse its not that hard to get multiple stacks of 99 of basic gathering items in a hour or so)

[Driavna]

you're giving bots waaay to much credit, players buying crafting/gathering items from NPCs and reselling it are a bigger issue than any bot.

but it sounds like you need to jump to more unique items instead of trying to sell basic things ANY yahoo can obtain.

No, she's not. Real problem is: you don't know what you are talking about. Regular players botting and then selling high-end stuff are nothing new.

[JowyAtreides]

It's not about making gold "easily". Easy money is what you get. What you do when you do what you do is tank the market for people who actually put in effort and hard work. We are always looking towards the future. Gil may be worthless to you now but what will you do when gil is actually worth something. Try and sell on the market? You tanked it so it's just gonna take you longer to get what you want just because of what you did in the past.

Someone gets lucky and gets a rare, high selling item from a quick exploration and puts the item on the marketboard for 1million gil
Another person gathers the materials and crafts the same high selling item, sells it for 400k gil because it's all profit and they are happy for a quick sale. Maybe they are 350k away from buying a house or it pays for a glam they like. Are they in the wrong for doing this, because this thread topic would suggest so, even though they put in the effort to get the item themselves with the clear intention to sell on.

People can sell their items for what they want, there is no honour or integrity on the marketboard, the fact people undercut by less than the tax cost supports this.