Are Blizzard II, and Freeze useful at all?

[SumThanatos]

BLM is my main.
Blizz2 is something I only use in lower lvl dungeons where bind works and it's strong enough to wipe out a mob in one or two hits. That's it. -Copperbell mines where the spriggans swarm is about the only useful example I can think of.
Freeze is... Well I only use it when helping a new tank learn their role (or if I'm in a duty with a... not very good tank) and I don't want to waste the time moving in close to cast Blizz2 to get the bind effect and thus help the tank catch a breather (or the rest of the team, as it may be).
As far as part of a rotation, they have no use. Ever. They're pretty much only used when you're forced to break off a rotation to help the group.

[Gallus]

They aren't of any use TC.

[Eloah]

Freeze will see more AoE use once the trait is generated, though I doubt much more use, but Blizzard 2 is still garbage. there are just some skills that make me wonder, how is SE not aware how bad they are. Scathe is better than Blizzard 2, and that's saying something. It's even more shocking when you consider that Yoshi-P mains a BLM.

[zuzu-bq]

Freeze will be an important part of AoE rotation from now on. It lets you skip B4 by giving you a single heart so you can instantly go into Astral Fire with a fast cast F3 and double Flare. Essentially making your AoE rotation one GCD and a half faster.

[SumThanatos]

Apparently freeze 2 is losing the bind skill, so it's useless in its entirety now. More so than before.
But it seems they're adding skills to Freeze.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IkyewIaQy8 and skip to 1:41

Not related to this thread, but it looks like they made Flare worse if it's true about the 10K mana cap.

[Rongway]

But it seems they're adding skills to Freeze.

Freeze will add an umbral heart, and since you only need one to double flare, you'll be able to cast Freeze for AoE damage and a heart instead of casting Blizzard IV for single target damage, a heart, and two hearts you won't get to use.

Not related to this thread, but it looks like they made Flare worse if it's true about the 10K mana cap.

All spells' costs will be recalibrated for a 10k cap, so I don't know how you mean Flare will be worse for it.

[Maero]

I mean aside from lower level content or PVP i suppose what use was bind? Just like tether on Red Mage which was very situational.
I do not see just like Rongway what you mean by Flare will be worse. And i have been a blm for a long time

[zuzu-bq]

For those who didn't catch on with the news.

-Freeze will work just like Blizzard 3 and its interaction with the Elemental Gauge (swaps current AF to UI3) meaning you can fast Fire 3 afterwards.
-Its base cast time was reduced to the default 2.5s. While potency remains the same. Basically a minor damage gain to element swap in 3+ targets versus Blizz III.
-Freeze appears to be a targeted AoE now, no more ground targeted, going by it's new tooltip and Media Tour Footage.
-Enhanced Freeze grants a single Umbral Heart, so you don't have to B4 in AoE situations of 4+ targets, since one is enough to double Flare.
-Once you gain Aspect Mastery, you can Flare and fast cast Freeze instead of transposing. Further solidifying the new AoE rotation.

This sums up all changes that affect Freeze as a spell in our kit going foward for the next expansion. So open up your hotbar space for this boy, we'll be using it a lot in dungeons.

[Zerathor]

-Freeze will work just like Blizzard 3 and its interaction with the Elemental Gauge (swaps current AF to UI3) meaning you can fast Fire 3 afterwards.

where is the change that makes it act as blizzard III?
I only saw it act as b4



emphasis on the OR on grants umbral ice or removes astral fire, where as b3 states AND on grants UI3 and removes astral fire. As worded here by current rules, and the tooltips available, it seems it would drop us out of astral fire and umbral ice and lose enochian if you cast it in AF.



unless there was new info out somewhere

I think 0mp in AF to b3, freeze, f3 flare flare is going to be the rotation for aoe

[Kabooa]

Job trailer. The tooltips weren't updated but mechanically that's what happened.