I've kicked players for wearing the wrong gear!

[Legion88]

So what exactly are you kicking them for? I'm confused. Is it because they are doing less dps? Because that's technically against tos. As I was told and read in the tos you can not belittle players or make them feel bad or as a worse player because they aren't doing "optimal dps" or using "optimal rotations".

They don't get kicked for having "wrong" gear", suboptimal rotation or just being a bad player.
They get kicked for their sh***y attitude and being a jerk in the chat when they are confronted with their illogical choice of gear.

[LalaRu]

I once did heal in the Vault with a lol-weapon (i37 or i1xx, whatever) without noticing. In effect, I did find healing a bit challenging there, until before last boss the tank noticed my weapon, and my reaction was "wut? OMG", then we made a laugh but completed it.

Sometime mistakes aren't a troll intent, and sometime people really believe the wrong thing about how stats works. Just politely point it out to them.

But if you are met with arrogance, the kick is legit imho.

[Starflake]

Honestly, reading some of these comments makes me think that this game is not for me anymore and that people have grown so silly and lazy and selfish. It is Wrong to level with the wrong gear in an MMO. Yes, there are different steps as to how wrong it is depending on what level of content you are in. But I personally have always felt that I need to be as up to date as possible with my gear. Not only to give myself a better experience, but also the people I come into contact with. The people who defend players not excercising basic ettiquette are selfish and toxic players. I've seen it plenty of times. If you do not respect your fellow player on such a standard level, in my opinion, you should just stick to offline games. How dare you think it's okay to just waste other people their time because you were too much of an ignorant person to gear properly? How dare you think that your skewed version of fun is more important than the experience and time of 3-7 other people?

I honestly can't believe what I am reading sometimes. Is this the direction the community will go in? I love almost everything about this game except for the community. It always tends to trivialize or downright defend poor, ignorant or downright lazy gameplay. Some of you should feel absolutely ashamed of yourselves. It doesn't take much to wear appropriate gear. If you don't wear appropriate gear, you are not curious enough, you don't care enough or you don't actually read what the game is telling you to do. That is a legitimate reason to get kicked and I praise the sweet Lord that there have been people in this thread who support the idea of getting rid of selfish players like that.

I actually needed to put this vent out. It does not matter how much DPS we lose, how much time we lose. It's only a byproduct of the real reason why people like that should be kicked. It's because they don't care, they aren't smart enough to do as the game tells you or they want to spite a party. It's not more fun to wear STR as a Black Mage, unless your version of fun is making life harder for your party members. Don't be that guy. Play responsibly.

[Vanroe]

Honestly, reading some of these comments makes me think that this game is not for me anymore and that people have grown so silly and lazy and selfish. It is Wrong to level with the wrong gear in an MMO. Yes, there are different steps as to how wrong it is depending on what level of content you are in. But I personally have always felt that I need to be as up to date as possible with my gear. Not only to give myself a better experience, but also the people I come into contact with. The people who defend players not excercising basic ettiquette are selfish and toxic players. I've seen it plenty of times. If you do not respect your fellow player on such a standard level, in my opinion, you should just stick to offline games. How dare you think it's okay to just waste other people their time because you were too much of an ignorant person to gear properly? How dare you think that your skewed version of fun is more important than the experience and time of 3-7 other people?

I honestly can't believe what I am reading sometimes. Is this the direction the community will go in? I love almost everything about this game except for the community. It always tends to trivialize or downright defend poor, ignorant or downright lazy gameplay. Some of you should feel absolutely ashamed of yourselves. It doesn't take much to wear appropriate gear. If you don't wear appropriate gear, you are not curious enough, you don't care enough or you don't actually read what the game is telling you to do. That is a legitimate reason to get kicked and I praise the sweet Lord that there have been people in this thread who support the idea of getting rid of selfish players like that.

I actually needed to put this vent out. It does not matter how much DPS we lose, how much time we lose. It's only a byproduct of the real reason why people like that should be kicked. It's because they don't care, they aren't smart enough to do as the game tells you or they want to spite a party. It's not more fun to wear STR as a Black Mage, unless your version of fun is making life harder for your party members. Don't be that guy. Play responsibly.

Dont make decisions based on what you read on forums, but rather what you regularly encounter in game. A minority can have a very large voice by saying something outrageous to get people worked up. Despite the attitudes expressed here, the VAST majority of instance runs ive done are very chill, and only people who seem to have no ability how to play whatsoever (a sam who didnt know how to release after a death and only auto-attacked in Monastery comes to mind, and we did try to help him) seem to readily get the boot. Even then, I've found that to be very rare.

[Starflake]

Dont make decisions based on what you read on forums, but rather what you regularly encounter in game. A minority can have a very large voice by saying something outrageous to get people worked up. Despite the attitudes expressed here, the VAST majority of instance runs ive done are very chill, and only people who seem to have no ability how to play whatsoever (a sam who didnt know how to release after a death and only auto-attacked in Monastery comes to mind, and we did try to help him) seem to readily get the boot. Even then, I've found that to be very rare.

Indeed. Thankfully my experience in game is not exactly like some in this thread. But I do worry for the future of this game because it does seem to be on the rise. I hope I'm wrong. Anyway, I'm not in here to discuss these things. For me, it's very clear who is in the wrong. Wish you all a good day. But honestly, some of you in this thread need to have a look at your values and how that toxic and selfish attitude is not sustainable.

[Tizzy_Tormentor]

I've been in lvl 50 dungeons with people who have woeful gear, including a case of a BLM with a lvl 17 weapon and mostly crafting accessories in Amdapor HM, as well as plenty of cases of players with low level HW weapons in SB content (I'm talking NQ i115 shit)

They really need to put some stricter requirements on dungeons, not saying it needs to be much, but don't let people queue with lvl 17 weapons for 50 content, or weapons 130 ilvls below the acceptable standard for SB content, it just makes the dungeon bad for everyone involved, same with being able to cheese ilvl requirements with gathering accessories.

[Vahlnir]

So what exactly are you kicking them for? I'm confused. Is it because they are doing less dps? Because that's technically against tos. As I was told and read in the tos you can not belittle players or make them feel bad or as a worse player because they aren't doing "optimal dps" or using "optimal rotations".

I agree to a point. But sometimes, just sometimes, dps isn't high enough to get much of anywhere...so a replacement or 2 may be needed in order to progress and finish a dungeon/trial/raid/etc. There is no sense in belittling people though. It is best to point out what they are doing wrong and try to help them first if you can, which can be done in a civil manner. If you can't, or if they refuse to listen, then a kick is more than justified because they are being detrimental to others' game play at that point.

[Physic]

In the past that may be true in regards to the MB, we now have world visit now and can shop the MB else where unless prices are like that across all servers on your DC than I am sorry that sucks that rings cost that much where you are at. But seriously use the world visit, shop the MB elsewhere, its your gil, you worked hard for it, take it where you get the best value for it.

As for rings it stops at 28 as npc vendors will not sell anything in ARR at beyond that level not even in Mor Dhona. Level 38 rings are crafted. Then picks back up at 50. There are ring drops in HM dungeons but you are better off getting Iron works rings because you can augment them to an higher ilvl. I want to say 125. If you have Ishgard open for 51-60 characters you get amber things from leves that are used to get accessories like rings, necklaces, bracelets for 51-59. I want to say if I recall, you get coffers as well from quests that give primal accessories.

With the exception of the rings stopping at level 28 and then picking back up at lvl 38 and then from level 50ish. A lot of things are available to the player at little to no cost. Just requires a little effort on the player's part. Tomes are silly easy to get. leves are even more easy. In honesty its a good habit to try to stay current on your gear. I am just tired of seeing folks in weathered accessories at 35 and up (the brand new ring is good through 50 +3 all stats).

new players arent going to shop around using out of game websites. Also, the design of the game is not to have max gear in every dungeon. The dungeons exist partially for people to get gear.

Players need to realize the entire roulette system is designed so that experienced players are grouped with in inexperienced players who actually need to beat the dungeon. SE is paying experienced players in experience to help other players a few times per day.

[JackHatchet]

There is no sense in belittling people though. It is best to point out what they are doing wrong and try to help them first if you can, which can be done in a civil manner. If you can't, or if they refuse to listen, then a kick is more than justified because they are being detrimental to others' game play at that point.

That's honestly why I've resorted to kicking. When I was younger, I'd fall into that trap of trying to argue and debate with them. And just about every time it devolves into some kind of disaster. The arrogant people who think STR helps their blackmage's spells hit more often aren't going to see the light from an argument. And I'm not going to feel better about myself having wasted 30 minutes talking to a wall.

So the obvious solution is, I don't have time for this. Let's kick this guy out. He clearly doesn't want to be a team player. He clearly doesn't have any desire to learn about his class or the game. He's essentially just a troll. Whether he believes he's having legitimate fun, or admits to being a troll. The end solution is--I just don't need this kind of negativity in my life.

And I don't get why people are defending these players. I want to believe they're just ignorant good-hearted folks who skipped the context and somehow convince themselves that I'm kicking puppies or some nonsense, so therefore I'm the evil! I'd like to honestly believe they're just short-sighted nice people who jump to conclusions rather than malicious trolls who just want to play devil's advocate at the detriment to society as a whole.

Yes, 'fun' should be respected. But one person's fun can't come at the cost of a group's fun. And who decides that? I feel like people are jumping on me just because I have the gall to take action. And yeah, while the Thanos'esq solution of just snapping them out of the group is certainly more harsh than sitting them down and teaching them. I just don't play this game to be a pre-school teacher. No one does. No one is entitled to being coddled. No one should be forced to carry. We should be equals. And everyone should act like an equal or get snapped out.

It shouldn't be 'my' decision to kick someone. I'm no better than any other individual. But thankfully kicks don't work based on one person's opinion. It's based on the group as a whole. And if the whole group agrees with a kick--then that's just the community working it's democracy against terrible people who shouldn't be in a social situation to begin with.

[AngelCheese77]

Wow that is ... harsh.

Thing is, you need a reason to kick someone and that can be considered harassment if looked into, I would think. And you need other people in the group to agree on the vote. How do you do that?