WoW this, WoW that: Why are FFXIV forum users so obsessed with WoW refugees?

[Valderen]

I'm on Coeurl, and I don't know how other servers are but this has been the friendliest, most patient people I've ever met in a MMO.

I haven't noticed any changes so far because of WoW refugees, although Coeurl and the Crystal datacenter is not recognized for it's raiding which most WoW refugees are probably interested in, so we might not be the target destination of choice.

[Umsche]

I'd be so bold to suggest we're in a period of history where people blame refugees for all their problems.

[Nyvara]

I'm on Coeurl, and I don't know how other servers are but this has been the friendliest, most patient people I've ever met in a MMO.

I haven't noticed any changes so far because of WoW refugees, although Coeurl and the Crystal datacenter is not recognized for it's raiding which most WoW refugees are probably interested in, so we might not be the target destination of choice.

That's the thing some servers seem to be worse or better than others it has been that way in pretty much any MMO I have played. Then if you look at some of the posts in this thread you again see some worse than others. SO while we may like to think we have a great community the truth is we are just the same as them. Which boils down to people just being people some are nice, some are real D-bags doesn't matter what game they are from.

[Anselmet]

I'd be so bold to suggest we're in a period of history where people blame refugees for all their problems.

Well that is one camp. Then you have the other camp that blames everything on casuals.

[LittleChickenNugget]

The biggest difference is that Blizzard doesn't coddle players and focus on making their game a rainbows and sunshine safe space for players. WoW players are generally goofy, edgy shxtposters who handle their problems among each other, some players developing a good or bad reputation with the server they're on.

SE likes to hand hold its player base and ban anyone who sneezes at a person and offends them over it. Yes, I actively play both games, I see this behavior all the time.

WoW players aren't BAD people or mean. They're just more open and casual with their conversation, like everyone they talk to is a good friend at a bbq. They also don't deal with players who don't pull their own weight. Whereas SE almost encourages people to play badly as long as it doesn't hurt their feelings.

Both games have their toxic base. One just doesn't bother to hide it because it's acceptable to tell people to get good or just ignore them while the other is the most petty place you can be under the surface. And FFXIV is absolutely the most petty two faced game to be a part of.

[Vercinotrix]

I'm a WoW refugee myself started FFXIV during WoD, and honestly the change of culture was one of the best things about this game. Generally people are far more polite in FFXIV, mistakes aren't viewed as character flaws or signs of low intelligence. For the most part that is, I'm sure FFXIV has its toxicity, no game is without it. The worst I've gotten on FFXIV is the random super impatient person who loses their marbles over not clearing floors fast enough in PoTD or HoH. Sorry random impatient dude, I want a higher aetherpool and I'll solo an entire room to get that silver chest.

However there's nothing quite like look forward to doing the new content on patch day and logging in, getting inside the instance, and getting told to off myself because I didn't watch all of the guides and practice on the ptr lmao. Though I hear FFXIV raiding is huge on guide watching culture so I don't bother with that. Game's structured to where savage is merely a bonus and 99% of the content I can experience fresh and not have someone lose their marbles I'd rather play the game than watch youtube.

You don't really have to worry about the "weeb" haters coming to the game though, the only exception I've ever seen to the rule of "if its not western made its weebtrash and i refuse to play it" is darksouls and random nintendo games.

And a lot of the WoW refugees are gonna be leaving shortly after ShB anyway, classic wow comes out in the summer.

[Aelsca]

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Having a "reputation" on a server is more or less non-existant, unless you're at the very top of the mythic raiders where you might be known cross-server wise?!

While I agree on that both games have their toxic base I couldn't agree less with your point about "not dealing with players who don't pull their weight?". WoW-players are allowed to generally say anything they want, we can agree on that. But how does that translate into a good gaming atmosphere? Or for that matter a good partying/raiding experience? I take it for granted that we are talking about situations outside of guilds/FCs because that's a whole other thing as FF XIV has very elitistic groups which are quite clear about what they demand of you, just like in WoW. How exactly do you belive that calling people names or whatever will actually help you in a party situation. When does it ever help? Because if you're saying what I'm thinking you are - you're point is that if all players can call each other out then they will become good?

You speak about SE holding hands and people getting reported, aye? Well the WoW-way is just a player leaving the group for reasons that might be anything between valid reasons to "you went left when I wanted to go right and now my feelings are hurt and I need to rage"-quit.

Let me use your BBQ-analogy. In my opinion the stereotypical WoW-player will leave if he or she finds out that the music sucks or maybe the beer is of the wrong kind, or there is no beer, or wrong type of meat or even no meat...or he found out about a better bbq and he just left - without saying a word cause why bother. The last thing on their mind is the other guests (players). My opinion is that there's a much bigger chance that FF-players will stay even though might sigh or comment it a bit. But still, they/we do tend to stick around and try to be supportive, specially if a player is a newbie. It's more of a "lets do this together and keep on and we'll fix it"-mentality, which for me and many other people is a big part of the MMO-genre. Whilst in WoW nowadays players are quite faceless and if you haven't noticed has been a big factor to why there is a crisis going on with WoW's identity. This is also the main problem for WoW, it has gradually stopped being an MMORPG.

If SE is holding players hands in FF XIV to keep the community atmosphere intact, Blizzard is catering players so they get most of what is possible with the least amount of challenge and therefore there is a picture of WoW players acting like entitled brats because that's how it has worked.

It's quite ironic though - because some of the devs that used to make WoW are nowadays devs with Overwatch. And they actually made a huge effort to clean up the toxicity in Overwatch and to top it all off, Overwatch now actually has a similar commendation system to FF XIV...and it works.

[LittleChickenNugget]

Except all you're trying to do is paint WoW players are bad guys again. They're not. I hate to say it, but FFXIV players will also leave in a heartbeat if they don't like the music or style of beer brought to the party. FFXIV players are very self centered and treat other players like NPCs - this isn't unique to WoW. I don't know how long you've been playing FFXIV or if you do in game raiding / savage content but it's just as bad here as it is over there. People leaving if there's one wipe with half a group of new players, people getting snarky and nasty and throwing insults.

This isn't unique to WoW. It has literally been in every game ever.

The difference is, is we put a Hello Kitty bandaid over the toxic users and keep them a little more under the surface. At least, until you do something that displeases one.

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And if you think players are super nice, you should dive into some of their guild discords to see some true colors. Even the official Reddit FFXIV discord got shut down briefly for pedophilia.

[Aelsca]

Except all you're trying to do is paint WoW players are bad guys again. They're not. I hate to say it, but FFXIV players will also leave in a heartbeat if they don't like the music or style of beer brought to the party. FFXIV players are very self centered and treat other players like NPCs - this isn't unique to WoW. I don't know how long you've been playing FFXIV or if you do in game raiding / savage content but it's just as bad here as it is over there. People leaving if there's one wipe with half a group of new players, people getting snarky and nasty and throwing insults.

This isn't unique to WoW. It has literally been in every game ever.

The difference is, is we put a Hello Kitty bandaid over the toxic users and keep them a little more under the surface. At least, until you do something that displeases one.

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And if you think players are super nice, you should dive into some of their guild discords to see some true colors. Even the official Reddit FFXIV discord got shut down briefly for pedophilia.

Fair enough, I have not been to that part of the upper echeleon, this is solely based on my own progression - where I can se that there's more patience.

[Makeda]

That's not how burden of proof works. There is no "evidence" that what they claim is true. Only their word.

And again, even if we assume they aren't lying, they included Chinese players, which completely skews any attempt at comparison to pointlessness.

If I firmly believe your neighbor’s cat is actually an embedded agent from the planet Zergon IV... the burden of proof is not on you to disprove me... I am just living in a fact free zone...