I've kicked players for wearing the wrong gear!

[JackHatchet]

they could also use that gear to up there ilvl to be eligible for the instance there doing. i have friends who do this as well

Yeah, I get that, and if confronted they responded as such--It'd be a pass. It doesn't bother me when people try to get around the system like that if they're smart enough to play their class and know of those loop-holes. My pet peeves are the folks who ADAMENTLY believe that strength gives them crit or that INT increases their TP regeneration, and defend that stance with toxic responses.

I can understand why some people would think kicking is an extreme in a normal when you can just suck it up. However, I'm mostly just a no-nonsense type of person. The moment I realize I'm talking to a wall--I throw up the kick, and generally it passes. I don't think most people want to be that stern or "go that far." But honestly. I'd rather just vote them early on than wipe later or be resentful. So I just nip that stuff the moment it rears its ugly head.

I just don't understand how people can be so thick though when it's something so ingrained into the game itself. Picking the stats on your gear isn't a subjective choice--it's an objective one.

[Akira]

Yeah, I get that, and if confronted they responded as such--It'd be a pass. It doesn't bother me when people try to get around the system like that if they're smart enough to play their class and know of those loop-holes. My pet peeves are the folks who ADAMENTLY believe that strength gives them crit or that INT increases their TP regeneration, and defend that stance with toxic responses.

I can understand why some people would think kicking is an extreme in a normal when you can just suck it up. However, I'm mostly just a no-nonsense type of person. The moment I realize I'm talking to a wall--I throw up the kick, and generally it passes. I don't think most people want to be that stern or "go that far." But honestly. I'd rather just vote them early on than wipe later or be resentful. So I just nip that stuff the moment it rears its ugly head.

I just don't understand how people can be so thick though when it's something so ingrained into the game itself. Picking the stats on your gear isn't a subjective choice--it's an objective one.

so do you at least try to help them out before kicking?

[JackHatchet]

so do you at least try to help them out before kicking?

Depends on your definition of help. I'll start off by asking them why they're wearing the wrong gear. And depending on the response we go from there. Like mention in previous posts. If the player is nice--they'll generally get a pass. Most people, and myself will tolerate a sub-par player if they're new, learning, or just trying to get by. As long as they're communicating in a reasonable sense.

The people I do kick are the ones who get incredibly defensive and toxic when asked. They're the ones who'll lace every sentence with profanity, or tell the group to 'get over it,' and expect a carry. Or again, legitimately think a stat does something it doesn't. And when confronted--defend that stance. You literally cannot help those people who refuse to be helped.

And I'm not here to coddle someone and explain it in 'simple words' for someone who's throwing profanity bombs at me or the group. It's not my job to over-extend myself to compensate for someone's terrible personality. I just kick them so they can be someone elses problem.