Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[Theodric]

I don't really buy into the idea that people should be happy simply to see them added. If they were added and the customisation options only allowed for the character model to be obese and balding then quite a lot of people would be disappointed. A lot of people would also be disappointed if they were added but given an extremely feminine or androgynous appearance. If their aesthetics put them as tall, conventionally attractive and fairly well-built then they would be extremely popular.

[Veis_Alveare]

I think that entirely depends on your definition of "handsome".

I can literally respond to this with this.

I'd like for them to have similar aesthetics. Not an exact clone of Midlander men but along those lines in terms of being conventionally attractive. I'd expect them to be taller than Midlander men too.

^ He gets it.

I understand subjective words like handsome aren't the most helpful (I had a post about that a few pages ago) but it's the best summary of what I'd want if they were included. There's no reason for them to be cutesy or dainty given their lifestyles. I get that it's a fantasy game so sometimes you have to suspend belief on some things but I don't see a reason for that to be the case just to give out effeminate male Viera. Other than some vocal minority the masses would get more use from a classically handsome, masculine option than an uwu bunboi twink in heels.

[Alleo]

So now we're going from the cliché of feminine women date buff strong guys, to the one of vain shallow female supermodels only date male supermodels...

No but have races in the game with genders that look like they belong together and not the big change like they had with the Au Ra. Thus for me at least male Viera should be similiar to the females. That does not mean that they have to be the exact built but they (imo) should also not look like they belong to two different races that share some traits.

No, not really. Of those, only Au Ra appeal to me. Hrothgar and Roegadyn are too bulky. Highlander men don't have proper eye brows and only have two decent faces - and even then, their customisation is extremely limited. There's plenty of room for Viera men to be tall, muscular and fit somewhere between Au Ra and Highlander men in terms of their physique whilst providing people with something that is both beefy and boasts classically handsome features.

So long as they look like men and have a decent amount of muscle mass to them, I'll be content.

Oh I agree, something like male Au Ra would still be fine because at least the females are larger too. (Even though I do find that the picture of the one with the more Omega built does come near that too but thats just me) I talked more about those that really wanted more muscles (and some lean into the more bara types) and those already have at least two races with big amount of those. (Roe and soon Hrothgar) But Roes are barely played so imo there is probably not that much demand for such huge muscled men. (And they do get a new race anyway with the Hrothgar) Thus why I at least want the Viera to be around Au Ra and Elezen built and height, so in that way like the female Vieras are in their female category.

[Mugear_bahamut]

Honestly, just give me Bugs Bunny. :\

[MrKimper]

I don't really buy into the idea that people should be happy simply to see them added. If they were added and the customisation options only allowed for the character model to be obese and balding then quite a lot of people would be disappointed. A lot of people would also be disappointed if they were added but given an extremely feminine or androgynous appearance. If their aesthetics put them as tall, conventionally attractive and fairly well-built then they would be extremely popular.

That's just how it's going to be though, it's the same thing with people who were upset that viera weren't short and dainty, they still fill a niche upon being added. Regardless of aesthetics they'll be as liked as they will be we already know from racial statistics what is and what is not popular, so it doesn't really matter.

They've proven with hrothgar and blue mage they may not go with what is popular but what they already have in mind, again they'll have the appearance that they'll have at the end of the day. Saying "I don't want them added if they look tall and manly" or "big and chunky" or "slim and feminine" is pretty counterproductive for discussion, instead just post art or talk about what certain forms you like(this isn't directed at you in particular).

At the end of the day SE'll do what SE wants to do with whatever feedback they get, both sides need to stop preemptively getting bent out of shape for "wrong think" as long as it isn't offensively sexualizing children.

[Alleo]

From what I understand they just want the males to look like breastless females.

I have been with this thread from the beginning and those that want "breastless females" are the minority. Some might want really buff guys, some might want truly slender ones, some might like this and that. In the end someone posted a fanart of a clearly male Viera with Omegas body type and it got verbally taken down by those that wanted buff races. Again its fine to want certain things but its also completely fine for someone to want them to look more feminine. (And in our world someone like Omega as a body type - not the face- would 100% not count as feminine)

Let people be able to say their opinion on how they want Viera even if its against yours. They have the same right to do so. Of course you can argue against it (as they can with your points) but lets make it civil and not take someone down or call it fetish like some did in this very thread. Because if you start doing that you are just going to get it back too.

SE will have their own view and in the end I believe that most of us would be fine with that because I do thing that most of us just want them in the game.

[Theodric]

Because if you start doing that you are just going to get it back too.

It's actually the reverse. Early on in the thread there was a lot of backlash towards anyone suggesting that Viera should be classically handsome, tall and well-built. Quite a lot of people were pushing for them to be child-like around that point which has thankfully been stamped out by Yoshi-P. The worst of the offending posts have been deleted, though if you've been following the thread from the beginning I suppose you've seen them already.

The backlash against overly feminine/androgynous aesthetics did not simply arise out of nowhere. It's a counter, in large part. There have also been people stating that Hrothgar should not have been added which further muddies the waters.

[Mugear_bahamut]

It's actually the reverse. Early on in the thread there was a lot of backlash towards anyone suggesting that Viera should be classically handsome, tall and well-built. Quite a lot of people were pushing for them to be child-like around that point which has thankfully been stamped out by Yoshi-P. The worst of the offending posts have been deleted, though if you've been following the thread from the beginning I suppose you've seen them already.

The backlash against overly feminine/androgynous aesthetics did not simply arise out of nowhere. It's a counter, in large part.

From my perspective, the big, buff team are the ones being really aggressive in this thread. Yes, including you.

[Theodric]

From my perspective, the big, buff team are the ones being really aggressive in this thread. Yes, including you.

I disagree, especially since none of the points I raised in the post you quoted were acknowledged or addressed. Each to their own, though!

[Alleo]

It's actually the reverse. Early on in the thread there was a lot of backlash towards anyone suggesting that Viera should be classically handsome, tall and well-built. Quite a lot of people were pushing for them to be child-like around that point which has thankfully been stamped out by Yoshi-P. The worst of the offending posts have been deleted, I suspect though if you've been following the thread from the beginning I suppose you've seen them already.

The backlash against overly feminine/androgynous aesthetics did not simply arise out of nowhere. It's a counter, in large part.

There was not a huge amount of people pushing for a child like Viera. There were some that posted pictures of teenagers or wanted to have Alphinauds built (as in slender and the size of an female Au Ra) but that does not mean that they wanted to play as children. They could have easily said that they wanted the body type of the female Auri but I guess they would have then be called names even though its just a type of body and does not mean "breastless women" like some said. I also remember certain posters calling this creepy and other things even though again it was about a body type and not the age. (In that case Lalas are the creepiest since their children look exactly the same as the adults)

Of course there were some small amount of posters throughout the thread that disagreed harshly against anything they did not like but that came from both sides because I do also remember that some of those that wanted their classical handsome males did not want Vieras if they dont look like that. So both sides were against each others from the start BUT this was always just a small amount of people anyways. Most stayed civil and just gave their view and that is fine. But the amount of posters that are going against one certain poster or against those that want their "yaoi boys" is a bit too much the last pages. There is just no need for that.

Edit: And the part with Hrothgar might have been said by like one poster, in a thread with over 580 pages. The amount that are simply going against certain posters is much bigger than that imo.

In the end SE will decide what they will do. (And no they will certainly not make them fat and bald. They still want to sell that race) I doubt its going to be another buff race but if you want one be free to post fanart. The same as those that want more "feminine" ones or those that want simply normal handsome men as Vieras. But lets not eat each other and call other stuff fetish. In the end most of us probably do play a certain race for their looks.