No wonder new players aren't that impressed

[fusional]

SE is setting up everyone for massive disappointment with 2.0

Its really almost no different than people saying "JUST YOU WAIT! IT WILL BE FIXED BY THE TIME THE GAME GOES RETAIL!"

massive disappointment for who? the people who already find excuses to complain about nearly everything, and will find excuses to complain about nearly everything in 2.0 just the same?

once again, just look at the official WoW forums.

the devs gave us this forum as a sounding board to field solid ideas and constructive criticism to help them improve the game, but most of it is just baseless unstructured crying. which is really no different from how people use the official WoW forums. weird, right?

are there things about this game that need improved, soon? absolutely. are there things this game needs to address and implement for 2.0 to make sure it has a successful relaunch? yep, completely. this game is far from perfect, and we'll get to go through another year of beta after 2.0's launch.

but just compare how many threads are crying about something vs. ones not crying. you could say "well that's because this game is bad and needs to get better" and you might be right, but then why would a wildly successful game like WoW suffer the *very same problem* in its forums?

answer: people just complain for the sake of complaining, and they need you to hear about it.

[Ruisu]

I still remember the day I created my Elvaan Male in Sandoria in XI back in '04. The music starting...the CS showing the city and then control to run around a begin exploring. I will never, ever forget the way that game made me feel. So freakin' nostalgic. Why XIV doesn't feel like that...I will never know. :/

nos·tal·gia

2 : a wistful or excessively sentimental yearning for return to or of some past period or irrecoverable condition; also : something that evokes nostalgia

Everyone has this for FFXI, even I do. It was a fantastic game, but keep in mind that you were (probably) much younger when you played FFXI, so it's much more memorable. Same reason why I find FF7/Chrono Trigger to be more memorable than FF9/Chrono Cross.

[BruceyBruceyBangBang]

In order for someone to get into any new MMO they have to be ready to play it on their own and not because a friend convinces them.

If they are a regular MMO goer, to make this adjustment is actually quite difficult unless you've completely got over whatever MMO you've been playing for the past several years. Or don't mind being promiscuous. (Naughty MMO player! Naughty! Did you mention it to your girlfriend, World of Warcraft?)

I know what you're probably thinking. This is starting to sound nuts, but it isn't. This is a very common thing mentally when starting a new MMO. They are like religions or really anything that you can think of where a person puts a large amount of devotion into. A girlfriend/boyfriend, a Faith, a career, ect. This is why you always find other players from other MMOs trash your MMO. It's their religion. We're like... the Scientology of MMOs and Christianity (WoW) are often to the side calling us a bunch of freaks.

Now, what if a player is excommunicated or willingly leaves their MMO? Do you think they will ever think the next one they go to is good enough right away? Getting players is a tough job.

Anyway, the point is, FFXIV's starting point is only probably a quarter of the battle to gain new players or have new players stay no matter the circumstance of them joining when they haven't gotten over the last one. If only FFXIV can become a really good rebound... it could have a fighting chance.

[TonyMontana]

Let's point out how these situations are different.

1. 2.0 is a brand new client, engine and server design.
1.a XIV retail was the same engine, client and server setup.

2. 2.0 is after all foundation systems are overhauled.
2.a FFXIV retail had zero foundation overhauls.

3. 2.0 will also usher in the PS3 version
3.a XIV retail did not.

4. 2.0 is how the game should have been after beta.
4.a MMOs after beta are generally updated to "release state", i.e post launch patch, thus people saying it'll be better at retail because by logic, it should have been.

5. 2.0 will be better than 1.x.

Why do you believe a company who couldnt make even an average MMO after 5+ years of designing an engine + an MMO will be able to make an above average game + engine after 1.5 -2 years?

[SuzakuCMX]

Why do you believe a company who couldnt make even an average MMO after 5+ years of designing an engine + an MMO will be able to make an above average game + engine after 1.5 -2 years?

Yoshi-P-ism HOO HA!

[TonyMontana]

Yoshi-P-ism HOO HA!

Lol!
/10char

[Uzziah]

Why do you believe a company who couldnt make even an average MMO after 5+ years of designing an engine + an MMO will be able to make an above average game + engine after 1.5 -2 years?

I have my reasons. Why do you believe them? You're still here. Or, was that your departing comment?

[TonyMontana]

I have my reasons. Why do you believe them? You're still here. Or, was that your departing comment?

I check in from time to time, i have made maybe 10 comments in the past month or two. I wanted this game to be good but I think SE has proven what extremely limited time(and most likely resources this time around) leads to.The game being released 1-2 years early and in terrible shape after 5+ years of developing an engine and MMO does not lead me to be very confident they will be able to make a much better game and engine in 30%-40% of the time they had the first go around.

There is still some cash to grab out there in the form of PS3 box sales. Its not like 2.0 being a cash grabbing flop will be worse for the company than the first cash grabbing flop for the PC.

Also let me add even if I never play this game again I would still love to see it become wildly successful. I have a few hundred million reasons why on my second account.

[Renshi]

I dunno what's the problem on remeding from a fall. I mean, they're doing their best to get out a great engine and a great game, past is past and they only have to learn from it, not living it again.

[Lucifer]

The engine was used in FF13 as well. It wasn't exclusively for FF14.