I've kicked players for wearing the wrong gear!

[Baalfrog]

coddling and encouraging playing wrong

I mean... If you enjoy running low level dungeons that take forever. Or worse, wipe over and over on some higher end content. Thats some extremely backwards thinking!

[VillainQueen]

I mean... If you enjoy running low level dungeons that take forever. Or worse, wipe over and over on some higher end content. Thats some extremely backwards thinking!

I neither coddle nor encourage playing wrong. I just think it's not worth making a big deal out of it and kicking players. You forget some people play for something called fun. I encourage telling them that it's not the optimal way and if it's gear for the looks that they can glam it but how long are you stuck with that player? 1 dungeon. Do it, get out and if you in a hurry to finish a run, maybe don't run low levels dungeons where you bound to encounter sprouts. I know empathy is hard to understand but you should try it once in awhile.

[JackHatchet]

My friends and I have come to refer to this phenomenon as "Warrior Of Light Syndrome". There is a really bizarre culture of arrogance in this game that newer players seem to develop. People come out of the MSQ acting like they are the absolute master of the game, and will often get into aggressive confrontations when someone points out that they're wrong about something.

I don't really know how to phrase it properly, but if I could restructure this post--it would be to bring more light on people's absolutely aggressive and emotional responses to any form of constructive criticism. Because let's be honest. If I was the jerk--no one would agree with the vote kicks. People mostly go with them because the target player was being toxic regardless of what the conversation was about.

But I also want to be blunt "Why are you wearing STR on a caster" instead of having to type a paragraph just to sugar-coat my true meaning. I'm not offensive in my questions. But I am blunt. Yet I get a lot of people who are incredibly toxic.

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I don't really know how to phrase it properly, but if I could restructure this post--it would be to bring more light on people's absolutely aggressive and emotional responses to any form of constructive criticism. Because let's be honest. If I was the jerk--no one would agree with the vote kicks. People mostly go with them because the target player was being toxic regardless of what the conversation was about.

But I also want to be blunt "Why are you wearing STR on a caster" instead of having to type a paragraph just to sugar-coat my true meaning. I'm not offensive in my questions. But I am blunt. Yet I get a lot of people who are incredibly toxic.

If I was that player and you asked me that question like that I would check my stuff and INSTANTLY go " OH SHIT.. my bad man. Let me switch real fast.. I most've not paid attention. Thanks for the heads up" And went from there.. we all make mistakes. And yes the way you worded that up there wasn't rude. I don't even think it was that blunt... I just read it as a normal question.

[TaleraRistain]

I am blunt

aggressive and emotional responses

You seriously don't see the connection here? I'm a blunt person as well. We need to be even more careful with our phrasing because it's so incredibly easy to be harsh. Being blunt does not excuse rudeness or harshness.

[SpiritMuse]

You seriously don't see the connection here? I'm a blunt person as well. We need to be even more careful with our phrasing because it's so incredibly easy to be harsh. Being blunt does not excuse rudeness or harshness.

This is what I'm thinking. When someone says they get bad responses almost all the time, that throws up a big red flag for me for their own behaviour. Tone is hard to convey in plain text, and things often come across as more harsh than intended. So "blunt" can quickly become "harsh", "rude" or "judgey" and, depending on the subject, "patronising" or "elitist". So you've got to take some extra care that you're actually coming across the way you intend to (which isn't the same as "sugarcoating").

[Baalfrog]

You forget some people play for something called fun.

FINALLY! Someone actually responded with this! I've waited so long to hear this! Ahem... So, here we go then! You are aware that fun is extremely subjective right? But, lets see now, so by your argument, if I don't play like you do, I am having fun wrong, and I need to change my ways of having fun, or it will ruin the community. Or something. WEEWOOWEEWOO! The fun police!

Let me elaborate on the fun argument here a bit. There are people who think grind is fun, who think optimization is fun, erp is fun, or something else that you might not like, and find it fun. So you are no authority on what others find fun based on your subjective views and then using that as an argument against someone elses point. Children ages 10 and up should know this.

Anyway, if you really enjoy carrying people and you think its fun, whatever, I'm not going to police your fun. And yes, you are coddling people who play like idiots if you don't correct their blatant errors. Effectively it also encourages that type of behaviour, since why should the bads improve since no one has bothered to correct them before.

[VillainQueen]

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Wow great way to misreprisent, Yes fun is subjective that's why I said that. Some people play casual might not gear up optimal, they might forgot, switched classes, farming for pieces. But you are so unempathetic that you ruin their fun because it might be not the fastes dungeon run? I really hope you are not a mentor but you do you whatever. I never said you can't tell them they are not playing the optimal way, you should but you think it just kicking them will help? No they queue again and become someone elses problem and might become resistend against future advice or drop out because getting kicked does not feel nice.

[LalaRu]

I once did heal in the Vault with a lol-weapon (i37 or i1xx, whatever) without noticing. In effect, I did find healing a bit challenging there, until before last boss the tank noticed my weapon, and my reaction was "wut? OMG", then we made a laugh but completed it.

Sometime mistakes aren't a troll intent, and sometime people really believe the wrong thing about how stats works. Just politely point it out to them.

But if you are met with arrogance, the kick is legit imho.